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    Default Brinkley Herts and Middx Gypsies

    I'm researching the Brinkley's, gypsies from all over the South of England, mainly Herts and Middlesex.

    My daughter in law was a Brinkley but her Mum and Dad died when she was young and unfortunately she doesn't know anything about the family but I'm working on her older cousins!! Her gt grandfather was Joseph Brinkley and gt grandmother Cinderella, on the 1881 census they were in a caravan on a roadside in Herts. I can't find anything else for them.

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    Hi Finbar,

    Thank you. I joined the site yesterday, I'm not sure whether I'm coming or going joining forums at the moment!

    Thanks again,

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    Is this the Cinderella you refer too or another branch of the family ? You did not give any idea of age in 1881.

    1901 England Census
    Name: Cinderella Brinkley Age: 58 Estimated birth year: abt 1843
    Relation: Wife Spouse's name: James Brinkley
    Gender: Female Where born: Eltham, Kent, England
    Civil parish: Southgate Ecclesiastical parish: Winchmore Hill St Paul
    County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
    Street Address: Caravan, Barrowell Green, Southgate
    Occupation: hawkers
    Registration district: Edmonton Sub-registration district: Edmonton
    ED, institution, or vessel: 47 Household schedule number: 98
    Household Members: Name Age
    James Brinkley 60 Maidstone Kent
    Cinderella Brinkley 58 Eltham
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

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    1881 England Census
    Name: Joseph Brinkley Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1860
    Relation: Head Spouse's name: Kelly Brinkley
    Gender: Male Where born: Hertfordshire, England
    Civil parish: Northaw County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England
    Street Address: Caravan in Cuffley Roadside
    Condition as to marriage: Married
    Occupation: Traveller (Hawker)
    Registration district: Hatfield Sub-registration district: Hatfield
    ED, institution, or vessel: 10
    Joseph Brinkley 21 Hertford
    Kelly Brinkley 19 Redbourn
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    This is part of the caravan community in hertfordshire in 1881. Perhaps if you try BMD reg and other sites you might be able to link who is related to who.

    1881 England Census
    Name: Aquila Brinkley Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1821
    Relation: Mother Gender: Female
    Where born: Hitchin, Hertfordshire, England
    Civil parish: Hertford St John County/Island: Hertfordshire
    Street Address: The Folly Caravan, Hertford St John
    Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
    Registration district: Hertford Sub-registration district: Hertford
    ED, institution, or vessel: 15
    Jonathan Brinkley 29 Datchworth Hertfordshire occ hawker
    Susan Brinkley 39 Stevenage Hertfordshire occ hawker
    Aquila Brinkley 60 Hitchin Hertfordshire

    1881 England Census
    Name: Charles Brinkley Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1849
    Relation: Head Spouse's name: Tiberetta Brinkley Gender: Male
    Where born: Wormley, Hertfordshire, England
    Civil parish: Hertford St John County/Island: Hertfordshire
    Street Address: The Folly Caravan
    Condition as to marriage: Married
    Occupation: Wire Worker & Hawker
    Registration district: Hertford Sub-registration district: Hertford
    ED, institution, or vessel: 15
    Household Members: Name Age
    Charles Brinkley 32 Tiberetta Brinkley 29
    Aquila Brinkley 10 Alice Brinkley 9 Sally Brinkley 6 Jonathan Brinkley 5 Fanny Brinkley 1

    1881 England Census
    Name: Valentine Brinkley Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1846
    Relation: Head Spouse's name: Rhoda Brinkley Gender: Male
    Where born: Burnham Green, Hertfordshire, England
    Civil parish: Northaw County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England
    Street Address: Caravan in The Cuffley Road
    Condition as to marriage: Married
    Occupation: Traveller (Hawker)
    Registration district: Hatfield Sub-registration district: Hatfield
    ED, institution, or vessel: 10
    Valentine Brinkley 35 Rhoda Brinkley 35
    James Brinkley 4 Valentine Brinkley 2 Edward Brinkley
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    Good Morning,

    Thanks so much noggin for all this info. I have some of it and I'm not sure how they are all related but sure they are somehow. The Cinderella of Kent isn't my dil's great grandmother but the Relly or Kelly, I'm sure is. I've found the same as you, the 1881 census but can't find a marriage for them. I don't know her maiden name which doesn't help at all. I found a death cert for Cinderella Brinkley in Ware, Herts which is where my son and dil live so I've sent for it and hope it's the right one. And hope I will know if it is!

    Joseph was indeed born about 1860 and Relly / Kelly born about 1862 and I think they had a son Rodney in 1888. This is where I start to get stuck.

    I will look at the BMD records, thanks again.

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    I think this is your Joseph and son Rodney. It would appear that he as remarried. They are in the Liverpool area. There is also a family of Lee's on the same census

    1901 England Census
    Name: Rodney Brinkley Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1888
    Relation: Son Father's Name: Joseph Brinkley
    Mother's Name: Sophia Brinkley
    Gender: Male Where born: London, England
    Civil parish: West Derby Ecclesiastical parish: West Derby St Mary the Virgin
    County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
    Street Address: Gipsy Caravan Van, Stonebridge Lane, West Derby Rural
    Occupation: horse dealer
    Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Fazakerley
    ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 175
    Joseph Brinkley 40 Sophia Brinkley 39
    Elias Brinkley 17 Joseph Brinkley 15 Rodney Brinkley 13
    Elizth Brinkley 10 Genty Brinkley 7 Jonathan Brinkley 4
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    Hi Noggin, I've only just seen this, thank you, very interesting. I saw this info ages ago and ignored it thinking it wasn't ours. I shall print this off and study it.

    Thank you.

    Sue
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    I would just ike to thank Noggin for ALL the help he's given me with my Brinkley family. It's very much appreciated, I could never have found all that information! He has sent me SO much.

    Thank you.

    Sue
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