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  1. 04-10-2010 08:13 PM #1
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    Default Help finding Emma Gregory/Rampton/Gritt - Romany?

    Emma Gregory is my Great Great Great Gran The 1881 Census has Emma Gregory in Kingsclere

    John GREGORY Head M Male 37 Hyth, Hampshire, England Chimmney Sweeper,Emma GREGORY Wife M Female 31 Baughurst, Hampshire, England

    I found this article BY Sid Barker (subscriber to HAMPSHIRE LIFE)
    Granny Gritt the Gypsy pedlar is Mary Sherred who married William Gritt, who was son of James Gritt and Sarah Harris.She was born about 1842 in either Cranborne or Winterborne, Dorset, depending on what years census returns you read! The lady chibley (thats how they used to speak in those days) sweep is Emma Gritt widow of Job Gritt who continued the business after Job's death in 1907.She was Emma Gregory a widow on her marriage to Job and was originally a Rampton.She was born about 1849.Her picture is also on the front cover of "Fleet a Second Selection" by Percy Vickery
    My great great gran was Ethelinda the child of John and Emma - Emma is listed as nee Rampton on the certificate.

    I am trying to find out if my GGG Gran is the same Emma Gregory

    In the 1851 Census John Gregory appears to be in Tadley
    John Gregory 6 lodger
    Sarah Gregory 9 lodger
    George Bull 45 lodger
    Henry Bull10 lodger
    Jane Bull 27 lodger
    Mary Ann Bull2 lodger

    I cant seem to work out who Emma is from the 1881 census she would be born 1849/1850 from the census she was from Baughurst there was an Emma Rampton born 1841 in Kingsclere and an Emma Rampton born in 1847 in Alton!
    My GGG Grandad was lodging with George Bull later married Gentilda Ayres who in 1851 was married to a Richard Rampton!! She had a Emily born 1850.

    I think John died around 1886 but can't remember where I got that information from. Job Gritt dies in 1906, I don't know if that would give the Emma in my family time to remarry and be the lady sweep from the story.

    Can anyone enlighten me?
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  2. 05-10-2010 01:36 AM #2
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    Death John Gregory Dec 1886 Kingsclere 2c 144 age 32 - place & age fit.
    Marriage Job Gritt to Emma Gregory or Fanny Allen Kingsclere 2c 428
    1891 Census 20 Kingston Crescent Portsea
    Job Gritt 38 chimney sweep b Hythe Hampshire
    Emma Gritt 40 b Tadley Hampshire
    John G Gritt chimney sweep 14 b Kingsclere Berkshire
    Frederick Gritt 2 b Kingsclere Berkshire
    Looks pretty likely to me - how interesting!
    You may need to buy one of the certificates to confirm.
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    Thanks Gillian, so confirmed I have John born in 1844(Hythe) died 1886(Kingsclere)

    by 1891 Emma Gregory has married a Job Gritt in Kingsclere - Place match
    in 1891 Emma seems to have a 14 year old son unless he is from a previous marriage just 5 years after the death of John Gregory.

    Absolutely fascinating that Job like John also seems to have come from Hythe

    My glitch in all this is I can't find an Emma Rampton of the right date from Tadley, the closest date I can see in the censuses is an emma born in 1847 in the wrong place! To confuse it more in 1851 there is definitely an EMILY Rampton in Tadley - Oh who oh Who is my GGG Gran? - I need to try and get the birth certificate details of both John and Emma but unsure how to do so with the information I have

    Being totally new to all this - what documents are going to be the best to try and acquire? Are the 2c 144 and 2c 428 the document reference numbers?

    Would love to get to the bottom of this one it's fascinating also why John Gregory was listed in a traveller camp with his sister? sarah at the ages of 6 and 9 with the Bull family but no Gregory family?!
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    Hi this is the full entry for Emma and Job Gritt's Marriage and as you see the numbers quoted are part of the reference. You can order the cert from this site:
    Registration Services - Certificate Ordering Service

    The cert will give fathers names as well as maiden/previous married name.

    England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
    Name: Job Gritt
    Year of Registration: 1888
    Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
    District: Kingsclere (1837-1932)
    County: Hampshire
    Volume: 2c
    Page: 428
    Spouse: Emma Gregory

    Marriage Records in the UK - Marriage Certificates
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    If Emma Gregory is the widow of John Gregory (d1886) have you found their marriage reg? I have had no luck. Could Emma have been married before, there is a marriage in 1868 :

    Groom's Name: John Williams
    Bride's Name: Emma Rampton
    Marriage Date: 20 Jun 1868
    Marriage Place: Kingsclere,Hampshire,England
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

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    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

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    Help!! One question at a time will get you the best results ...but patience is difficult I know with such an interesting family!
    The numbers are the volume and page numbers - which you would need to order a certificate. I would hang on to see what other info we can find before thinking of spending money on certificates.
    Remember events are not always registered at that time which doesn't help! I can't find the births of the other Rampton children either for sure.
    1851 census - West Heath Tadley
    Richard Rampton 25 agricultural labourer b Sherborne St John Hampshire
    Gentilda Rampton 22 b Hannington Hampshire
    Thomas 2 b Tadley
    Emily 0 (5 months) b Tadley
    Mary Ann Lovelock lodger 22 b Tadley

    So Emma may very well have been born Emily and the 1850 birth may be the one.

    1861 census - Clay Pitts Battledown Wootton St Laurence
    Richard Rampton 36 agricultural labourer b Tadley Hampshire
    Gentilda Rampton 34 ag lab's wife b HanningtonHampshire
    Thos Rampton 15 railway labourer b Westbury Dorset
    Edward Rampton 1 b ? Hampshire
    Emma Rampton 12 b Tadley Hampshire
    Elizabeth Rampton 3 b ? Hampshire
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    Hello,

    My contribution

    Marriage:GREGORY John = Eliza BAMPTON ( Sic) Dec quarter 1867 Southampton 2c 73

    1871 Census
    RG9 1246 37 11
    GREGORY John 26 Farnham
    GREGORY Emma 20 Baley
    Mary Jane 2 Kingsclere
    Harvey 1yr 3mth Kingsclere ( pres Henry on 1881 census)
    BAMPTON Albert 7 weeks visitor Wootton

    Are there transcription errors in BAMPTON /RAMPTON

    I think this MAYBE John GREGORY on the 1861 census

    1861 RG9 718 131 13
    BULL George 38 Whitchurch
    BULL Jane 38 vernham
    BULL John 17 Hythe
    BULL Mary A 13
    BULL George 2
    SAILOR William 9 V
    BULL Luke 75 V Blind Sherbourne if this person is checked out on the 1851 census H107 1681 478 24 persons of the name GRITT /
    GRETT are in the household!

    1861
    RG9 7111436
    RAMPTON Richard 36 Sherboirne
    RAMPTON Gentilda 34 HAnnington
    RAMPTON Thomas 15 Tadby
    RAMPTON Windham 17 Tadby
    RAMPTON Edward 1
    RAMPTON Emma 12 Tealby ? Tadby
    RAMPTON 3 Cloford


    Marriage

    RAMPTON Richard = Jane Matilda ARES q4 1849 Kingscelere 7 241

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    Brilliant Elsabels!
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    Thanks so much everyone - Amazing.

    Learning the lesson of asking too much at once because my head is spinning!

    1871 Census
    RG9 1246 37 11
    GREGORY John 26 Farnham
    GREGORY Emma 20 Baley
    Mary Jane 2 Kingsclere
    Harvey 1yr 3mth Kingsclere ( pres Henry on 1881 census)
    BAMPTON Albert 7 weeks visitor Wootton

    Think could well be right family (Different birth places shown to 1881 census?)

    John was lodging with Bull's so John Bull in the 61census makes sense

    Just need to work out the Emma/Emily thing - if emma is emily the tree for Ramptons has been researched back another 8 generations!

    Any suggestions how I make that link of Emma/Emily - Is it a marriage certificate between John and Emma that holds the key - There is the other possibility someone mentioned that she may have been married to John Williams?

    My head hurts but I'm amazed at what you guys have unearthed so far - Any more help gratefully recieved
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    Good evening - I am sure 1871 is the right family - Mary Jane & Harvey/Henry both appear in the family in 1881, Mary's place of birth is mistranscribed - should be Tadley. John's occupation is chimney sweep.
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