Help in finding Katharine Norman please.

**Lincs Lady** · 01-10-2010 08:18 PM

Help needed please,
I have Katharine Norman born 1848 in Germany.
In the 1881 census it says she was an Unfortunate and lived at ,1 Grove Place London Middlesex.

Can anyone find her before 1881 or after.I have searched in vain to find her.

Please can anyone find her?

Lincs Lady

**banditfivealive** · 01-10-2010 09:24 PM

Hi Iincs Iady- Sorry but you Iady remains IIiusive - however I did a search just using the surname and Germany and found the foIiowing - thereafter the name increases through each of the cenus 's aII in bakers and associated trades untiI in 1901 when there was Iots of famIies and different trades. Do you have any thing eise we can have a Iook at for you?

1851 USING NORMAN AND GERMANY

Norman
Nathan

30 (N K)

Lodger
Jeweller
-, Germany
Church Street, Isleham, Cambridge
HO107/1763/~F99

1861 USING NORMAN AND GERMANY
Norman
John

26

Lodger
Sugar Baker
-, Germany
117 Brook Street, Ratcliffe, Stepney, Middlesex
RG9/0285/~F20

**Lincs Lady** · 01-10-2010 09:40 PM

Many thanks Bandit, I beleive this Katharine Norman could" belong" to me, At the same address in the 1871 census is a family recorded as Roman,but on the original it says Norman...and this family is certainly mine.
It seems such a coincidence that this lady is at this address.
My relation in the 1871 is Martin Norman a baker,he married a Julia Curtin I have this from thr parish records from the LMA.
His name altered from Numann to Norman...I think because he was German this is how it must have sounded.His father was Thomas a carman,I cant find him either...I wondered if Katharine Norman could have been his sister.

Your help is much appreciated

Lincs Lady

**banditfivealive** · 01-10-2010 10:00 PM

Hi Iincs Iady

going on your 1871 comments - this is how it was transcribed - I wiII go further back to see if we can find his dad
1871
Norman
Martin

30

Head
Baker
-, Germany
1 A Grove Court, St Georges In The East, Middlesex
RG10/0532/~F56
Norman
Julia

25

Wife
-
-, Ireland
1 A Grove Court, St Georges In The East, Middlesex
RG10/0532/~F56
Norman
Margaret

12

Daughter
Scholar
St Georges, Middlesex
1 A Grove Court, St Georges In The East, Middlesex
RG10/0532/~F56
Norman
Thomas

11

Son
Scholar
St Georges, Middlesex
1 A Grove Court, St Georges In The East, Middlesex
RG10/0532/~F56
Norman
Rose

7

Daughter
Scholar
St Georges, Middlesex
1 A Grove Court, St Georges In The East, Middlesex
RG10/0532/~F56
Norman
Martin

2

Son
-
St Georges, Middlesex
1 A Grove Court, St Georges In The East, Middlesex
RG10/0532/~F56

**Lincs Lady** · 01-10-2010 10:10 PM

Many thanks Bandit for all your time...I will look in again in the morning......I do hope you have more luck than I had,it been the devils own job in finding them,but going from the son Martin 1869 and the daughter Margaret 1860,I do have them.

Thanks again

Lincs Lady

**banditfivealive** · 01-10-2010 10:36 PM

Hi incs Iady

I had a Iook at the Fh site for Katherine and found that record- she was with HENRETTA CURTIS- so I used that for the 1881
census and came up with the foIiowing

Curtis
Henrietta

31

Head
Dress Maker
-, Germany
1 Grove Place, St George In The East, Middlesex
RG11/0450/~F10
Norman
Katherine

33

Lodger
-
-, Germany
1 Grove Place, St George In The East, Middlesex
RG11/0450/~F10
Leilish
Henry

24

Boarder
Gasstoker
-, Germany
1 Grove Place, St George In The East, Middlesex
RG11/0450/~F10
Beck
G

33

-
Seaman
-, Finland
1 Grove Place, St George In The East, Middlesex
RG11/0450/~F10

I cant expIain why she didnt turn up before?

**banditfivealive** · 01-10-2010 10:47 PM

Hi
In 1871 the same Iady was in I ondon with a husband John and chiIdren - and funnIIy enough he was a a sugar baker which was the profession of some of the Iater Normans- incidenty the eidest chId was 8 so the famiIy arrived in the uk from 1863 owards as the chIdren are born in the uk whereas the parents are born in Germany. The rest is supposition

**Lincs Lady** · 02-10-2010 08:28 AM

Good morning Bandit,thanks again for your reply.....could you give me the details of the 1871 census as I cant seem to find this family,I can only see 2 Normans from Germany in the 1871 census and non of these are them.
As you say Sugar Bakers were in the family,as I have found in my searching.

Thank you.

Lincs Lady

**banditfivealive** · 02-10-2010 09:01 AM

Good morning - Pieasure here we are
Norman
Martin

30

Head
Baker
-, Germany
1 A Grove Court, St Georges In The East, Middlesex
RG10/0532/~F56
Norman
Julia

25

Wife
-
-, Ireland
1 A Grove Court, St Georges In The East, Middlesex
RG10/0532/~F56
Norman
Margaret

12

Daughter
Scholar
St Georges, Middlesex
1 A Grove Court, St Georges In The East, Middlesex
RG10/0532/~F56
Norman
Thomas

11

Son
Scholar
St Georges, Middlesex
1 A Grove Court, St Georges In The East, Middlesex
RG10/0532/~F56
Norman
Rose

7

Daughter
Scholar
St Georges, Middlesex
1 A Grove Court, St Georges In The East, Middlesex
RG10/0532/~F56
Norman
Martin

2

Son
-
St Georges, Middlesex
1 A Grove Court, St Georges In The East, Middlesex
RG10/0532/~F56

1881
Curtis
Henrietta

31

Head
Dress Maker
-, Germany
1 Grove Place, St George In The East, Middlesex
RG11/0450/~F10
Norman
Katherine

33

Lodger
-
-, Germany
1 Grove Place, St George In The East, Middlesex
RG11/0450/~F10
Leilish
Henry

24

Boarder
Gasstoker
-, Germany
1 Grove Place, St George In The East, Middlesex
RG11/0450/~F10
Beck
G

33

-
Seaman
-, Finland
1 Grove Place, St George In The East, Middlesex
RG11/0450/~F10

**Lincs Lady** · 02-10-2010 09:11 AM

I am puzzled Bandit !!! I thought you meant the Katharine lady was with a husban John a sugar baker in the 1871 information you gave me?
You did send me the one with Martin as head last night.
Am I misunderstanding your message,that you found Katharine in 1871 with a husband John the sugar baker with their children?

Best regards

Sheila

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