Thread: Moses Simpson

Hi, I wondered if anyone could help me find my great-grandfather's birth record?

Moses Simpson was born c. 1862 in Cramlington, Northumberland. I have a full set of census records for him 1871-1901 and his birth place is consistent as well as his age (9, 21, 29, 39 and 49 in 1911). However there is no BMD record for his birth that I can find. There are 2 other Moses Simpsons listed for the possible years (1861 - Barnsley and 1862 - Chorlton) but these are definitely different men.

My Moses is the son of Grainger Simpson and Mary Dawson.

I would like to be able to order his birth certificate ... can anyone help?

THANKS!

Hi Gravenor,



There appears to be a whole page missing in Apr/May/Jun quarters 1862 on Ancestry which were transcribed by Free BMD. I don't know if it has been missed or still being transcribed. There appear to be no names between Lucy and Thomas Simpson. It might give you an idea where to keep checking.

[quote name='Starlight' date='13 April 2010 - 11:41 AM' timestamp='1271158901' post='219139']

Hi Gravenor,



There appears to be a whole page missing in Apr/May/Jun quarters 1862 on Ancestry which were transcribed by Free BMD. I don't know if it has been missed or still being transcribed. There appear to be no names between Lucy and Thomas Simpson. It might give you an idea where to keep checking.

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Thanks Starlight - this is certainly exactly where I would have expected to find him! I've only ever used the Free BMD site to find details when ordering certificates ... is there another way to find the necessary district/ page reference? Thanks again for your help,

Gravenor

Hi Gravenor,



I can't find anything on-line that goes further than the name Matthew. Even the name Thomas seems to dissapear. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places and someone else will have more luck.

I know that my cousin had to get records from the records office but he is lucky as he lives in the area.

A phone call to the records office could tell you if any records have been lost for that year. I know that the records for one parish I was researching in Hampshire were lost and turned up over a hundred years later.

[quote name='Starlight' date='13 April 2010 - 12:37 PM' timestamp='1271162249' post='219144']

Hi Gravenor,



I can't find anything on-line that goes further than the name Matthew. Even the name Thomas seems to dissapear. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places and someone else will have more luck.

I know that my cousin had to get records from the records office but he is lucky as he lives in the area.

A phone call to the records office could tell you if any records have been lost for that year. I know that the records for one parish I was researching in Hampshire were lost and turned up over a hundred years later.

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So kind of you to take the time to search on my behalf - at least I know it's not just me missing something obvious!

Hello Gravenor,



Following on, I have looked 1860 - 1865 and cannot find Moses SIMPSON birth entry. nor a baptismal entry on familysearch.



All I have is that there are 6 family trees listed on Ancestry, none shows Moses dob.

What did I find....



Granger b q4 1869 registered at Cheter le Street 10A 431



Granger James SIMPSON b q3 1840 Durham &c 24 74



Marriage GraInger James SIMPSON to Mary DAWSON q2 Durham 10a 431 alos an entry on familysearch.ord for Lancheter Durham



Type Grainger SIMPSON in to google and you get a couple of independent family trees



Elsabels

[quote name='Elsabels' date='13 April 2010 - 03:10 PM' timestamp='1271171449' post='219153']

Hello Gravenor,



Following on, I have looked 1860 - 1865 and cannot find Moses SIMPSON birth entry. nor a baptismal entry on familysearch.



All I have is that there are 6 family trees listed on Ancestry, none shows Moses dob.

What did I find....



Granger b q4 1869 registered at Cheter le Street 10A 431



Granger James SIMPSON b q3 1840 Durham &c 24 74



Marriage GraInger James SIMPSON to Mary DAWSON q2 Durham 10a 431 alos an entry on familysearch.ord for Lancheter Durham



Type Grainger SIMPSON in to google and you get a couple of independent family trees



Elsabels

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Hello there Elsabels!

Thank you for this - you have exactly the right family - the 1840 Grainger is Moses' Dad, the 1869 Grainger is his brother and the marriage record is the parents.

Luckily I don't actually need Moses' birth certificate to progress the line - it's partly for completeness to be 100% sure of my facts, and partly because I was surprised to find him missing!! I want to learn what to do in situations such as this so that if it occurs again, at a point where the certificate is critical, I'll hopefully know what to do ! Appreciate your help as always x

Hello Gravenor......



Explore all the options and cross check everything and ask!



Certification of BMD as we know it was started in July 1837 with no onus of responsibility placed on the family to formally notify the Local Registrar of an event, It became the family responsibility to notify of these events in 1874/1875, so there is a certain dependence on the 'old system' Parish records.



As you realise, I went onto various sites, both free and subscription.....Granger can also be spelt Grainger the fact that there is no entry on the familysearch.org site suggests that the parish in which the family resided or chose to have their children baptised hasn't been recorded / digitised.....therefore you need to look at the source held by the Record office*. I did note that a LDS member had added entry's to the site, so someone else has had difficulty tracing the family. This site should only be used for guidance recourse needs to be to the original source and most record offices will if you know the info copy and post for a small fee, So in the instance of the marriage in 1860 in Lanchester church, I would go for the Church Record ( Bishops Transcript BT) as it will be cheaper and probaly offer as much info as you need! The other thought is the family were not of mainstream religion.....so you would need to look for other sources www.genuki.co.uk



*In this case www.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice.



PM me if you want more pointers!



Elsabels

[quote name='Elsabels' date='13 April 2010 - 06:12 PM' timestamp='1271182365' post='219172']

Hello Gravenor......



Explore all the options and cross check everything and ask!



Certification of BMD as we know it was started in July 1837 with no onus of responsibility placed on the family to formally notify the Local Registrar of an event, It became the family responsibility to notify of these events in 1874/1875, so there is a certain dependence on the 'old system' Parish records.



As you realise, I went onto various sites, both free and subscription.....Granger can also be spelt Grainger the fact that there is no entry on the familysearch.org site suggests that the parish in which the family resided or chose to have their children baptised hasn't been recorded / digitised.....therefore you need to look at the source held by the Record office*. I did note that a LDS member had added entry's to the site, so someone else has had difficulty tracing the family. This site should only be used for guidance recourse needs to be to the original source and most record offices will if you know the info copy and post for a small fee, So in the instance of the marriage in 1860 in Lanchester church, I would go for the Church Record ( Bishops Transcript BT) as it will be cheaper and probaly offer as much info as you need! The other thought is the family were not of mainstream religion.....so you would need to look for other sources www.genuki.co.uk



*In this case www.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice.



PM me if you want more pointers!



Elsabels

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I had no idea it was 1874/5 before notification of BMDs became compulsory ... I just assumed that started with its introduction. Thank you for that! At least the census records all give Cramlington as the place of birth, so I'll go down the parish records route as if it was a pre-1837 event. Many thanks

Hi Elsabels,

After the introduction of civil registration in 1837, copies of marriage entries were no longer sent to the bishop because copies had to be sent to the registrar

Baptism and burial records continued to be copied for sometime.