Joseph Hepper 1811

**noggin28** · 17-02-2010 12:21 PM

Joseph Hepper was born is Sandford Devon in 1811. His parents are listed as William and Susanna(h). He was deported in 1838 to NSW, sentence 7yrs. I have found a number of siblings(see list below) all with the parents William and Susanna. There are also two marriages between William and Susanna and to make it more difficult two William christenings. So who was Josephs parents, William & Susanna Baker or Abbat (abbot)and who was his grandfather, Robert or Henry? Does anyone have access to the Devon Parish records who could look up which children belong to which William and Susanna.

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles

_____________________Christenings_________________ ____________________________________

ELIZABETH HEPPER Christening: 05 NOV 1815 Sandford, Devon, England

Parents: Father: WILLIAM HEPPER Mother: SUSANNA

JAMES HEPPEP Christening: 27 JUL 1823 Sandford, Devon, England

Parents: Father: WILLIAM HEPPER Mother: SUSANNA

JOSEPH HEPPER Christening: 17 MAR 1811 Sandford, Devon, England

Parents: Father: WILLIAM HEPPER Mother: SUSANNA

DOROTHY HEPPER Christening: 07 FEB 1808 Sandford, Devon, England

Parents: Father: WILLIAM HEPPER Mother: SUSANNA

HENRY HEPPER Christening: 11 NOV 1827 Sandford, Devon, England

Parents: Father: WILLIAM HEPPER Mother: SUSANNA

JOHN HEPPER Christening: 17 DEC 1820 Sandford, Devon, England

Parents: Father: WILLIAM HEPPER Mother: SUSANNA

WILLIAM HEPPER Christening: 11 JAN 1818 Sandford, Devon, England

Parents: Father: WILLIAM HEPPER Mother: SUSANNA

SAMUEL HEPPER Christening: 02 OCT 1825 Sandford, Devon, England

Parents: Father: WILLIAM HEPPER Mother: SUSANNA

SUSANNA HEPPER Christening: 01 DEC 1795 Sandford, Devon, England

Parents: Father: WILLIAM HEPPER Mother: SUSANNA

MARY ANN HEPPER Christening: 10 OCT 1813 Sandford, Devon, England

Parents: Father: WILLIAM HEPPER Mother: SUSANNA

GRACE HEPPER Christening: 13 OCT 1801 Sandford, Devon, England

Parents: Father: WILLIAM HEPPER Mother: SUSANNA

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WILLIAM HEPPER Christening: 22 JUN 1766 Sandford, Devon, England

Parents: Father: HENRY HEPPER Mother: ANN

WILLIAM HEPPER Christening: 28 FEB 1768 Witheridge, Devon, England

Parents: Father: ROBERT HEPPER Mother: ELIZABETH

(Witheridge is not far from Sandford)

------------------------------------Weddings--------------------------------------------------------

WILLIAM HEPPER Marriages: Spouse: SUSANNA BAKER

Marriage: 04 MAY 1795 Sandford, Devon, England

WILLIAM HEPPER Marriages: Spouse: SUSANNA ABBAT

Marriage: 13 APR 1807 Sandford, Devon, England

**Hazelnut** · 05-03-2010 08:22 PM

Hi Noggin, what i found was if joseph was born 1811 then it looks more likely that his parents are william and susanna abbot because they were married closer to his birthdate in 1807. Whereas william and susana baker were married 1795 , but thats really only a guess.

What i'll do over the weekend is try to unravel whos who if i can , i do love a challenge , and this is the biggest one ive seen for a long time .

**noggin28** · 06-03-2010 09:49 AM

[quote name='Hazelnut' date='05 March 2010 - 09:22 PM' timestamp='1267824155' post='216188']

Hi Noggin, what i found was if joseph was born 1811 then it looks more likely that his parents are william and susanna abbot because they were married closer to his birthdate in 1807. Whereas william and susana baker were married 1795 , but thats really only a guess.

What i'll do over the weekend is try to unravel whos who if i can , i do love a challenge , and this is the biggest one ive seen for a long time .

[/quote]

Thanks for the reply. This is the only other info I have for Joesph. On Death it as Joseph and Susannah has his parents.

Australian Convict Transportation Registers – Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868

Name: Joseph Hipper Vessel: Lord Lyndoch

Convicted Date: 26 Jun 1837 Voyage Date: 2 Apr 1838

Colony: New South Wales Piece: HO 11/11 Place of Conviction: Devon, England

Joseph Hipper, one of 330 convicts transported on the Lord Lyndoch, 02 April 1838.

Details: Sentence details: Convicted at Devon. Bradninch Quarter Session for a term of 7 years.

Vessel: Lord Lyndoch.

Date of Departure: 02 April 1838.

Place of Arrival: New South Wales.

Source: Australian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 90, Class and Piece Number HO11/11, Page Number 228

NSW Death reg:

Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District 6371/1883 HEPPER JOSEPH JOSEPH SUSANNAH PICTON

NSW Marriage V1851287 37B/1851 HEPPER JOSEPH GRIFFITH MARY A CB

CB = Church of England Parramatta, St John's Note on the permission to marry it states Mary Giffith(s) was born in the colonies and she was 10yrs young than Joseph.

**Hazelnut** · 06-03-2010 01:13 PM

Hi Noggin, I think i found the link,

one question , you said on his death his fathers name was joseph ? wonder if that was williams middle name , and also his mothers name was susannah PICTON ( wonder if that was her mothers maiden name , ) cause we got Susanna BAKER or ABBAT. Will search for her and try to unravel the mystery.

maybe they hid their parents name because of shame on the family because of his deportation , anyway gotta sort out more of the siblings and will let you know

**Hazelnut** · 06-03-2010 06:16 PM

ok noggin, heres what i tried to work out from seperate searches and also found nothing on the sandford parish records for Hepper,

Joseph is descended from William Hepper b/c.22 june 1766 sandford , devon and Susanna Baker b/c 3 may 1767 sandford, devon MARRIED 4 MAY 1795 SANDFORD, DEVON

children Susanna Hepper c.1 dec 1795 sandford, devon

joseph c. 17 march 1811 sandford, devon

mary ann c. 10 oct 1813 sandford, devon ( called after both mothers)

Susannas parents were Robert Baker and Mary ?

Williams parents were Henry Hepper b. 1729 sandford, devon, and Ann Squire b.1733 sandford, devon. Married 7 june 1754 SANDFORD, DEVON

Henry and Ann had

Ann c.20 april 1755 sandford, devon,

William 22 june 1766

couldnt find anymore children for them

sorry couldnt work out all the children but the reason i came up with who's who was that the other William was from Witheridge, devon and so was Robert ,yours worked out all from sandford,

hope this helps , if you want details of the other heppers i have them on paper.

Hazel

**noggin28** · 07-03-2010 08:56 AM

[quote name='Hazelnut' date='06 March 2010 - 07:16 PM' timestamp='1267902994' post='216279']

ok noggin, heres what i tried to work out from seperate searches and also found nothing on the sandford parish records for Hepper,

Joseph is descended from William Hepper b/c.22 june 1766 sandford , devon and Susanna Baker b/c 3 may 1767 sandford, devon MARRIED 4 MAY 1795 SANDFORD, DEVON

children Susanna Hepper c.1 dec 1795 sandford, devon

joseph c. 17 march 1811 sandford, devon

mary ann c. 10 oct 1813 sandford, devon ( called after both mothers)

Susannas parents were Robert Baker and Mary ?

Williams parents were Henry Hepper b. 1729 sandford, devon, and Ann Squire b.1733 sandford, devon. Married 7 june 1754 SANDFORD, DEVON

Henry and Ann had

Ann c.20 april 1755 sandford, devon,

William 22 june 1766

couldnt find anymore children for them

sorry couldnt work out all the children but the reason i came up with who's who was that the other William was from Witheridge, devon and so was Robert ,yours worked out all from sandford,

hope this helps , if you want details of the other heppers i have them on paper.

Hazel

[/quote]

**noggin28** · 07-03-2010 08:56 AM

[quote name='Hazelnut' date='06 March 2010 - 07:16 PM' timestamp='1267902994' post='216279']

ok noggin, heres what i tried to work out from seperate searches and also found nothing on the sandford parish records for Hepper,

Joseph is descended from William Hepper b/c.22 june 1766 sandford , devon and Susanna Baker b/c 3 may 1767 sandford, devon MARRIED 4 MAY 1795 SANDFORD, DEVON

children Susanna Hepper c.1 dec 1795 sandford, devon

joseph c. 17 march 1811 sandford, devon

mary ann c. 10 oct 1813 sandford, devon ( called after both mothers)

Susannas parents were Robert Baker and Mary ?

Williams parents were Henry Hepper b. 1729 sandford, devon, and Ann Squire b.1733 sandford, devon. Married 7 june 1754 SANDFORD, DEVON

Henry and Ann had

Ann c.20 april 1755 sandford, devon,

William 22 june 1766

couldnt find anymore children for them

sorry couldnt work out all the children but the reason i came up with who's who was that the other William was from Witheridge, devon and so was Robert ,yours worked out all from sandford,

hope this helps , if you want details of the other heppers i have them on paper.

Hazel

[/quote]

Thankyou for your help, Have PM you.

Sorry death was a bit confusing:

NSW Death reg:

Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District

Reg No surname F name M name place of death Picton NSW

6371/1883 HEPPER JOSEPH JOSEPH SUSANNAH PICTON NSW

**Joseph** · 09-03-2010 08:57 AM

[quote name='Hazelnut' date='06 March 2010 - 07:22 AM' timestamp='1267824155' post='216188']

Hi Noggin, what i found was if joseph was born 1811 then it looks more likely that his parents are william and susanna abbot because they were married closer to his birthdate in 1807. Whereas william and susana baker were married 1795 , but thats really only a guess.

What i'll do over the weekend is try to unravel whos who if i can , i do love a challenge , and this is the biggest one ive seen for a long time .

[/quote]

Hazelnut, this is my first visit to this site. I am descended from Joseph Hepper born 1811, and finding any definite trace of his parents has been impossible, given I live in Australia.

I am really interested in the sources/methods you used to make your deductions, which certainly sound possible. I have some Devon Records Office references, but nothing much else. Please Email link removed, please use private message system to pass on Email addresses.

**noggin28** · 09-03-2010 02:32 PM

[quote name='JosephH' date='09 March 2010 - 09:57 AM' timestamp='1268128649' post='216473']

Hazelnut, this is my first visit to this site. I am descended from Joseph Hepper born 1811, and finding any definite trace of his parents has been impossible, given I live in Australia.

I am really interested in the sources/methods you used to make your deductions, which certainly sound possible. I have some Devon Records Office references, but nothing much else. Please[/quote]

Hi JosephH

I have sent you a couple of e-mails.

Noggin28

**Hazelnut** · 09-03-2010 09:36 PM

Hi Joseph, well im amazed and you've a new relative already, noggin28.

Between noggin28 and myself im sure we can sort your tree out

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