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    I am trying to find William Vokes and his wife Sarah Jane [nee Prince] Sarah was born in London 1852 but brought up in Sunderland. She married William Vokes at Sunderland 1875. I cannot find them on 1881 census. I searched free BDM and cant find a death or remarriage.

    Is anyone able to track them down?

    I dont know where or when William was born.

    Many thanks

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    [quote name='seeker' date='11 February 2010 - 12:03 PM' timestamp='1265889790' post='213976']

    I am trying to find William Vokes and his wife Sarah Jane [nee Prince] Sarah was born in London 1852 but brought up in Sunderland. She married William Vokes at Sunderland 1875. I cannot find them on 1881 census. I searched free BDM and cant find a death or remarriage.

    Is anyone able to track them down?

    I dont know where or when William was born.

    Many thanks

    [/quote]



    This is the Marriage reg for William Vokes.



    England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915

    Name: Sarah Jane Prince

    Year of Registration: 1875

    Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep

    District: Sunderland

    County: Durham, Tyne and Wear

    Volume: 10a

    Page: 878



    T can't find Sarah Jane Prince or William Vokes in Sunderland prior to their marriage (ie 1871 census) or after. To find anything about William you need to get the Marriage Cert to find at least his fathers name.



    Have you tried looking under name variations, Fokes Folks etc
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    Hello



    I have searched freebmd and come up with



    BIRTHS

    All Sunderland in the timeframe circa marriage 1875



    VOKES Jonathon Wm b1875 d 1875

    VOKES JAne b1878 d 1878

    VOKES James Wm b q2 1880

    ?VOKES HArriett b 1890 d 1890 ?



    There doesnot seem to be any VOKES in the Sunderland /Durham area.so I suspect William was born elsewhere.



    Have you googled searched genesreunited for the name?



    Do you have any other info on the 2 famillies.



    Other wise it looks like buying the cert!



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    [quote name='seeker' date='11 February 2010 - 12:03 PM' timestamp='1265889790' post='213976']

    I am trying to find William Vokes and his wife Sarah Jane [nee Prince] Sarah was born in London 1852 but brought up in Sunderland. She married William Vokes at Sunderland 1875. I cannot find them on 1881 census. I searched free BDM and cant find a death or remarriage.

    Is anyone able to track them down?

    I dont know where or when William was born.

    Many thanks

    [/quote]

    can i ask - where did you get the names? what info do you have on them already? do you have them in other census's or their children?

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    [quote name='lisabyrne' date='12 February 2010 - 07:23 PM' timestamp='1266002592' post='214097']

    can i ask - where did you get the names? what info do you have on them already? do you have them in other census's or their children?

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    i think this is sarah in 1871:



    PRINCE, Sarah Jane 1855 16 F Sunderland Durham



    but it looks like by 1901 she was calling herself jane and him James W ! - i think this could be them but cant get the full census entry (maybe someone else can look this up for you )



    VOKES, James W 1852 49 M Sunderland Durham (born weston super mare, somerset - occ. Bill Poster)

    VOKES, Jane 1855 46 F Sunderland Durham (born weston super mare, somerset)

    VOKES, Elizabeth 1879 22 F Sunderland Durham (born durham)

    VOKES, James W 1880 21 M Sunderland Durham (born Durham, occ. Bill Poster)

    VOKES, Thomas 1889 12 M Sunderland Durham (born Ireland. occ jeuvenille)



    this may explain why you cant find them in other census. - In 1889 In Ireland, maybe also there in 1891.

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    Hello



    Working on the basis that the births in Sunderland in above mail, are connected to the couple you are looking for there is this

    1901 census

    RG13 / 4712 /163

    Hedworth St Sunderland

    James W Vokes 49 1852 Bill poster Weston Super Mare ( William VOKES?)

    Jane Vokes 46 1855 Weston Super Mare ( Sarah Jane PRINCE?)

    James W Vokes 21 b 1880 bill poster SUNDERLAND shown as married

    Thomas Vokes 12 1889 Ireland

    Robert Crosbie 38 Lodgers

    John Mulherne 35 Lodgers

    James Westgarth 20 Lodgers



    1881 in Ireland????



    1871 Census

    RG10 / 4368 / 79

    Huddersfield

    William VOKES b 1850 W s on Mare Billposter

    as a lodger in the h/hold of joseph Ibberson



    1851 not sure

    HO107 / 1635 / 594



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    [quote name='Elsabels' date='13 February 2010 - 06:42 AM' timestamp='1266007325' post='214105']

    Hello



    Working on the basis that the births in Sunderland in above mail, are connected to the couple you are looking for there is this

    1901 census

    RG13 / 4712 /163

    Hedworth St Sunderland

    James W Vokes 49 1852 Bill poster Weston Super Mare ( William VOKES?)

    Jane Vokes 46 1855 Weston Super Mare ( Sarah Jane PRINCE?)

    James W Vokes 21 b 1880 bill poster SUNDERLAND shown as married

    Thomas Vokes 12 1889 Ireland

    Robert Crosbie 38 Lodgers

    John Mulherne 35 Lodgers

    James Westgarth 20 Lodgers



    1881 in Ireland????



    1871 Census

    RG10 / 4368 / 79

    Huddersfield

    William VOKES b 1850 W s on Mare Billposter

    as a lodger in the h/hold of joseph Ibberson



    1851 not sure

    HO107 / 1635 / 594



    Elsabels



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    Hi. Thank you all for your help. Sorry for not getting back earlier [time difference]

    Sarah Jane Vokes is Sarah Jane Prince. On 1861 census she is listed with her parents as James, which threw me for a while. Her birth certificate gives her as Sarah Jane.

    I know nothing of William as it is the prince line i was following. I got her marriage from Free BDM, and crossed checked with the Sunderland records for BDM`s. Is does sound likely that they are the ones using different names. The childrens names are family names for the Prince side. Jonathan as Sarahs fathers name, Harriett james etc are all used over again. I have tried genes reunited but got nothing [using William as a christian name. Ill try with the other names.]

    Many thanks for your help

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    Hello



    I think the VOKES have a Irish connection, somewhere i recall seeing a Mrs VOKES b Ireland, that I vaguely thought of and dismissed



    Try Sunderland trade directories...www.genuki.co.uk also google the name you may pick up VOKES name researchers



    Elsabels

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    [quote name='Elsabels' date='13 February 2010 - 10:43 AM' timestamp='1266021808' post='214156']

    Hello



    I think the VOKES have a Irish connection, somewhere i recall seeing a Mrs VOKES b Ireland, that I vaguely thought of and dismissed



    Try Sunderland trade directories...www.genuki.co.uk also google the name you may pick up VOKES name researchers



    Elsabels

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    Thank you

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    [quote name='seeker' date='13 February 2010 - 01:00 AM' timestamp='1266022839' post='214158']

    Thank you

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    found the son James William in 1911 irish census i think, married with children:



    http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...Street/524632/



    Residents of house number 52 in Main Street (Lisnaskea, Fermanagh)



    Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living

    Vokes James William 30 Male Head of Family R Catholic Durham Paper Hanger Read and write - Married - 11 4 3

    Vokes Catherine 39 Female Wife R Catholic Fermanagh - Read and write - Married - 11 4 3

    Vokes James William 8 Male Son R Catholic Lanarkshire Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -

    Vokes Mary Jane 10 Female Daughter R Catholic Fermanagh Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -

    Vokes Catherine 6 Female Daughter R Catholic Lanarkshire Scholar Read and write - Single -



    also

    possible his daughters birth:

    Civil Birth Vokes Mary Jane 1901 Co. Fermanagh

    http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/quis.ph...evStartQuery=0

 

 

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