Thread: 1879 lost history Clayton Arthur

I have spent more time then I care to talk about trying to find my grandfather Clayton Burleigh Arthur b.1879 Cleafield. Pa.

All "Normal" searches bring the same non progressive information.

From his birth up untill about 1903 I cannot find him or his parents in any records.

What records I have found show in Census forms is his parents, father from Pennsylvania, Mother from llinois. I have tried contacting sources from Pa both in Johnstown ( which there is a Township with the name Clearfied there ) and tried to get asistance in Clearfield county as well with no results.

I understand that the Census of 1880 was nearly all but distroyed and that at this time in history Birth Certificates were not part of record keeping so other then Obscure churh or bible records or other family I'm stumped I do not have any heirlooms .

I have tried to find data from his only sisters side of the family a Mrs Silas (Mazie Belle Arthur) Miller of Salix, Pa but with very slim contact. I was fortunate enough to hear from a cousin five times removed but there appears to be no connection there No family mention of here having a brother.

Is there something I'm missing here that someone sees that I am missing?

If you can help please contact me, I am the only Adult male heir to our name, my eleven year old son deserves to have the history for his future.

Please e-mail me Email address removed this is to protect you from Spam Emails Please use private message system to pass on Email addresses This is very important to me. Thank you in advance if you can help,

Sincerely, Burt K Arthur

[quote name='noggin28' date='08 February 2010 - 08:41 AM' timestamp='1265647301' post='213763']

Is this the person you are seeking?

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: Clayton B Arthur Home in 1930: Pinehurst, Snohomish, Washington

Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Birthplace: Pennsylvania

Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's name: Maude A Race: White

Parents' birthplace: PA and US

Household Members: Name Age

Clayton B Arthur 50 (occ Building Contractor) Maude A Arthur 43

Delmar B Arthur 21 Kermit A Arthur 18 Donald F Arthur 15 Keith B Arthur 8 Vilma Y Arthur 5



1910 United States Federal Census

Name: Clayton B Arthur Age in 1910: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Birthplace: Pennsylvania

Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birth Place: United States of America Mother's Birth Place: United States of America

Spouse's name: Maud R

Home in 1910: Centralia, Lewis, Washington Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male

Household Members: Name Age

Clayton B Arthur 30 occ wook worker

Maud R Arthur 23

Delmar B Arthur 1 4/12



WWI Civilian Draft Registrations

Name: Arthur, Clayton Burleigh

Birth Date: 16 Dec 1879

Birth Place: Works in Bathingham WA

City/County: Snohomish# 1

State: WA

Ethnicity: W



World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918

about Clayton Burleigh Arthur

Name: Clayton Burleigh Arthur

County: Snohomish

State: Washington

Birth Date: 16 Dec 1879

Race: White

FHL Roll Number: 1992014

DraftBoard: 1



I can send copy of draft if you PM me



Washington Death Index, 1940-1996

Name: Clayton B Arthur

Date of Death: 3 Sep 1951

Age: 71

Estimated birth year: abt 1880

Gender: Male

Certificate: 16652

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[quote name='noggin28' date='08 February 2010 - 08:41 AM' timestamp='1265647301' post='213763']

Is this the person you are seeking?

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: Clayton B Arthur Home in 1930: Pinehurst, Snohomish, Washington

Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Birthplace: Pennsylvania

Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's name: Maude A Race: White

Parents' birthplace: PA and US

Household Members: Name Age

Clayton B Arthur 50 (occ Building Contractor) Maude A Arthur 43

Delmar B Arthur 21 Kermit A Arthur 18 Donald F Arthur 15 Keith B Arthur 8 Vilma Y Arthur 5



1910 United States Federal Census

Name: Clayton B Arthur Age in 1910: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Birthplace: Pennsylvania

Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birth Place: United States of America Mother's Birth Place: United States of America

Spouse's name: Maud R

Home in 1910: Centralia, Lewis, Washington Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male

Household Members: Name Age

Clayton B Arthur 30 occ wook worker

Maud R Arthur 23

Delmar B Arthur 1 4/12



WWI Civilian Draft Registrations

Name: Arthur, Clayton Burleigh

Birth Date: 16 Dec 1879

Birth Place: Works in Bathingham WA

City/County: Snohomish# 1

State: WA

Ethnicity: W



World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918

about Clayton Burleigh Arthur

Name: Clayton Burleigh Arthur

County: Snohomish

State: Washington

Birth Date: 16 Dec 1879

Race: White

FHL Roll Number: 1992014

DraftBoard: 1



I can send copy of draft if you PM me



Washington Death Index, 1940-1996

Name: Clayton B Arthur

Date of Death: 3 Sep 1951

Age: 71

Estimated birth year: abt 1880

Gender: Male

Certificate: 16652

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Hello... yes this is the person, this this my fathers father, my Grandfather, the only problem is all the information you have provided I already have and know, it does not approach or connect to any early family. I have been over and threw the woods researching my Grandmothers family too, tried to find him in early Washington State history before 1903 to no avail. Even tried to connect with his past threw the IORM 'Improved Order of Red Men" and established his tenior in the organization but could get no response from the Records keeper in Snohomish county. I have have had a few wonderful indivguals assist me but all the information ends up the same...a dead end. I have copies of his WWI card and his marrage license and know where he and my grandmother are buried and have pictures of the sites at Evergreen Cemitary in Everett Washington. My father was Donald Forrest Arthur. As I mentioned I am the only adult male remaining, I have some female first cousins that I have talked to extensively but information is very limited. They know as much as I.

Thank You for taking the time to respond, your effort is much appreciated.! Sincerely, BKA

[quote name='Burt_Arthur' date='09 February 2010 - 03:16 AM' timestamp='1265685382' post='213816']

I have been over and threw the woods researching my Grandmothers family too,

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Hi Burt



Have been looking at the records you mention re: your Grandfather Clayton in an attempt to help and to not much avail as yet, I’m afraid. There are 2 references that I have found for what looks like Clayton and his wife in “The Sounder” which is the Sno-Isle Genealogical Society’s publication



http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wasigs/indexsndr.htm



ARTHUR,

Clayton B. Vol: 16:Pg: 17

Maude A. (HAMEN) Vol: 16:Pg: 17 (Hamen could be a mistranscription for Ham/m)



HAMEN,

Maude A. (Mrs. Clayton B. ARTHUR) Vol: 16: Pg: 16



You can order these back copies from the website, if you think that they may be of interest.



However, I notice from your last post that you are also having some difficulty in tracing your Grandmother’s lineage. Don’t know what you have/haven’t got so am posting the following in the hopes that something following adds to the info you already have.



Your Great Grandmother (mother of Maud Annette Hamm wife of Clayton) was born Nancy Emily Mcquiston abt 1864 Iowa to Nancy Tuttle and Joseph Mcquiston.



She married James Ham/m on 25 Sept. 1885 in Iowa. There is a LDS record that gives James’ father’s name as Burton R Ham. (Further records suggest that he is B: 18 Nov 1810, Nicholas County, KY D: 19 Mar 1892, Clay MO) – mother Ann H. (Further records suggest that she was Ann H Chevis B: 22 Nov 1815, Virginia D: 23 Oct 1905, Clay MO). The LDS marriage record also gives Nancy’s parents as Joseph Mcquiston and Nancy Tuttle.



James Ham/m B: 1843 Platte Co. MO (one of 6 children) dies sometime before 1906 and Nancy Emily remarries to a George J M Gliem.



Record Series:, Marriage Records

Collection:, Snohomish Marriage Records

County:, Snohomish

document no. :, nwsnomc2639

groom's name:, George J M Gliem

bride's name:, Nancy Emily Hamm

marriage date:, 12/27/1906 12:00:00 AM

filing date:, 12/28/1906 12:00:00 AM

county:, Snohomish



1910 US Census



Name: Nancie Gliem

Age in 1910: 49

Estimated birth year: abt 1861

Birthplace: Iowa

Relation to Head of House: Wife

Spouse's name: George

Home in 1910: Everett Ward 4, Snohomish, Washington

Marital Status: Married

Race: White

Household Members:

Name, Age

George Gliem, 50

Nancie Gliem, 49



1920 US Census



Name: Nancy Gliem

Home in 1920: Everett, Snohomish, Washington Age:

56 years

Estimated birth year: abt 1864

Birthplace: Iowa

Mother's Birth Place: Pennsylvania



Name, Age

George Gliem, 60

Nancy Gliem, 56



George dies in 1929.



Record Series: Death Records Collection: Washington State Death Records

da reference number: F3FCF2DD-E63F-4806-8882-1B8866C4200F

image number: 2162 document number: 163 document reference id: 348

name: George J. M. Gliem date of death: 14 Nov 1929 age: 70 gender: Male race or color:

place of burial: burial year: cemetery name:

father name: Peter Gliem death place: Everett, Snohomish, Washington Spouce’s Name: Nancy Gliem



1930 US Census



Name: Nancy E Gliem

Home in 1930: Everett, Snohomish, Washington

Age: 67 Estimated birth year: abt 1863

Birthplace: Iowa

Relation to Head of House: Head

Widow

Name, Age

Nancy E Gliem, 67





Death Record



Record Series: Death Records Collection: Washington State Death Records

da reference number: {9ACA897E-B47B-44E1-A527-9FA109A9A68A}

image number: 416

document number: 9

document reference id: 41

name: Nancy Gliem

date of death: 29 Jan 1939

age: 75 gender: Female

Death place: Monroe, Snohomish, Washington

Mother’s name: Nancy



The census records show that Nancy only had one child so no siblings for Clayton’s wife – Maud Annette.



There are lots of other records around that will take you back in the Ham/m and Mcquiston – if you would like further help please let us know.

Good evening,

Thank you for the attention you are giving to my request.

The info about Granma's family most of which I have from my own research is simular with exception...the names dates and places you have found for her mothers and fathers parents is astounding, As I have been told by family Great Grandpa Jame's died tragiclly on the Sakgit river, that is all anyone knows.

As far as my Dad's father, Grandpa Clayton the only posecession I have of his is a Bible dated 1901 with his name hand written below the date. It's a shame that it's so difficult to find out about the family but I understand that all the variations and family changes can really mess up a good lead...I have run out.

The only other thing that has been suggested to me is to join the DNA study for the Arthur name...with a chance to find out what branch if any my gene's belong to...I think thats probably what I'll have to do.

Family has mentioned that we probably have relations in Texas but...I think it's a bigger needle in the haystack then I'm ready for.

Grandpa's sisters name was Mazie Belle Arthur but I have found no connection between the two, it has been suggested that one of them could have been Adopted?, Mazie is listed in Census as being 'illegitiment'. has that any truth to being adopted? I don't know. Another dead end I fear.

Bye for now and thank you again. Ba

[quote name='Burt_Arthur' date='09 February 2010 - 07:38 PM' timestamp='1265773128' post='213888']

Good evening,

Thank you for the attention you are giving to my request.

The info about Granma's family most of which I have from my own research is simular with exception...the names dates and places you have found for her mothers and fathers parents is astounding, As I have been told by family Great Grandpa Jame's died tragiclly on the Sakgit river, that is all anyone knows.

As far as my Dad's father, Grandpa Clayton the only posecession I have of his is a Bible dated 1901 with his name hand written below the date. It's a shame that it's so difficult to find out about the family but I understand that all the variations and family changes can really mess up a good lead...I have run out.

The only other thing that has been suggested to me is to join the DNA study for the Arthur name...with a chance to find out what branch if any my gene's belong to...I think thats probably what I'll have to do.

Family has mentioned that we probably have relations in Texas but...I think it's a bigger needle in the haystack then I'm ready for.

Grandpa's sisters name was Mazie Belle Arthur but I have found no connection between the two, it has been suggested that one of them could have been Adopted?, Mazie is listed in Census as being 'illegitiment'. has that any truth to being adopted? I don't know. Another dead end I fear.

Bye for now and thank you again. Ba

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Good morning, just thinking a bit here in Spanaway Washington hoping your not being afflicted by the bad winter storm in East.

A foot note: I often wonder and also have researched with no avail the possibility that Grandpa was an orphan due to the Johnstown flood but even in looking at 'Arthurs" who died as a result, the history i.e. date and such never matched up. Maybe there is a connection there, I just didn't see it. There has also been some speculation that a John T and a John A that were in the Civil war Regiment 98 troop F of the Pennsylvanis volenteers (Mustered Out 1865) might have some connection but it never proved out by me looking.

Bye for now...I am getting redy for work...Have a Great Day! Ba

Hey Burt



Freezing with snow again here in parts of the UK today. Nothing compared with you though!



So have taken another look around for your grandfather, taking the references that you gave this morning. I, like you, have been unable to find any connection to the Johnstown flood victims, Mazie Belle Arthur/Miller and/or the Civil war soldiers that you named. There is a fascinating book on-line, which I don’t know if you have discovered which profiles Snohomish in those early years – maybe a little before your Grandfather was there but certainly when your Grandmother was :-



http://www.archive.org/details/illustratedhisto00inte



Will keep looking in the hopes of finding something that gives you a chink of light in your search.



Going back to your Grandmother’s family I wondered from your comment, that family had told you of his sad demise if you had your Great Grandfather James Alfred Ham’s death certificate for 13 July 1894? Also were you aware that your Great Grandmother Nancy had married Lyman Russell following James’ death and prior to her marriage to George Gliem?



Record Series:, Marriage Records

Collection:, Snohomish Marriage Records

County:, Snohomish

document no. :, nwsnomcvb_697

groom's name:, Lymon Russell

bride's name:, Nancy E Ham

marriage date:, Mar 11 1895

filing date:, Mar 16 1895

county:, Snohomish



This gives you a census entry for your Grandmother Maud in 1900 as follows:-



Name: Maud A Ham

Home in 1900: Everett, Snohomish, Washington

Age: 13

Birth Date: Jul 1886

Birthplace: Illinois

Race: White Gender: Female

Relationship to Head of House: Step Daughter[Daughter]

Father's Name: Lyman

Father's Birthplace: Missouri

Mother's Name: Nancy E

Mother's Birthplace: Iowa

Marital Status: Single

Residence : Everett City, Snohomish, Washington

Household Members:

Name, Age

Lyman Russell, 35

Nancy E Russell, 57

Maud A Ham, 13





Keep warm!

[quote name='Geniegenie' date='10 February 2010 - 04:54 PM' timestamp='1265849652' post='213955']

Hey Burt



Freezing with snow again here in parts of the UK today. Nothing compared with you though!



So have taken another look around for your grandfather, taking the references that you gave this morning. I, like you, have been unable to find any connection to the Johnstown flood victims, Mazie Belle Arthur/Miller and/or the Civil war soldiers that you named. There is a fascinating book on-line, which I don’t know if you have discovered which profiles Snohomish in those early years – maybe a little before your Grandfather was there but certainly when your Grandmother was :-



http://www.archive.org/details/illustratedhisto00inte



Will keep looking in the hopes of finding something that gives you a chink of light in your search.



Going back to your Grandmother’s family I wondered from your comment, that family had told you of his sad demise if you had your Great Grandfather James Alfred Ham’s death certificate for 13 July 1894? Also were you aware that your Great Grandmother Nancy had married Lyman Russell following James’ death and prior to her marriage to George Gliem?



Record Series:, Marriage Records

Collection:, Snohomish Marriage Records

County:, Snohomish

document no. :, nwsnomcvb_697

groom's name:, Lymon Russell

bride's name:, Nancy E Ham

marriage date:, Mar 11 1895

filing date:, Mar 16 1895

county:, Snohomish



This gives you a census entry for your Grandmother Maud in 1900 as follows:-



Name: Maud A Ham

Home in 1900: Everett, Snohomish, Washington

Age: 13

Birth Date: Jul 1886

Birthplace: Illinois

Race: White Gender: Female

Relationship to Head of House: Step Daughter[Daughter]

Father's Name: Lyman

Father's Birthplace: Missouri

Mother's Name: Nancy E

Mother's Birthplace: Iowa

Marital Status: Single

Residence : Everett City, Snohomish, Washington

Household Members:

Name, Age

Lyman Russell, 35

Nancy E Russell, 57

Maud A Ham, 13





Keep warm!

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Good day to you!

Seems I come in on the end of the day but well that is what happens when I work a 10 hour day and drive an hour in either direction to get from home to work and back again. We are far west coast, our weather here has been very mild for this time of year. Normally nothing but a down pour all winter...I often wonder if it's anything like England or Scotland. Supposedly my family is Scots /Irish( an American term as I understand it). My wife mother is an American Brit. She was born and raised there but married my father in law during the late part of the second world war.

Yes I know about the Lyman side had found information while digging in the bowels of everything. Seems I can find everyone but who I am looking for. Probably normal just seems isolated to me. Come to find out this old world really isn't as big as we once thought it was.

And it seems we can't find each other anyway...how ironic.

We are located east of Tacoma, south of seattle and about 40 miles north of Mt Rainier.

Hope you stay warm, we will just adjust our boot straps and pray for the sun.

Bye for now...Burt