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hi, i need to know if an ancester around 1800 is born to a spinster is it fact that the mother has to put her maiden name on the church baptism record by law, or could she have changed hers to the fathers even though it says spinster?
Hello
You need to look at the original Parish record or Bishops Transcript to see what the Vicar may have written....it may desc the child as illeg / base born of mother and if the father is known ( in the parish) his name may appear as an additional note, there may be an indication as to the the residency of the mother in which case you may get lucky and find more family info....
It is likely that the child was born in the parish of the mothers residence as she may want to claim parish relief, moving to another parish she wouldn't be able to do that!
Good Hunting
Elsabels
I can tell you that Parish Clerks were often better able to record the the truth when a child was illegitimate,baseborn' or a bastard' sometimes even noting the Father's name.. There is much documented on this one..Clergymen would often ask the Mother who the real Father of the child was,and then suggest or insist that the baby has the Fathers surname as one of its middle names. I have a fantastic book by Anthony Adolph,Tracing Your Family History that covers so much on this subject. I really dont know if it was law on the childs Baptism record that the Mother had to put her maiden name? As there was no I.D back in those days, and as well if a Mother left her village or home town and Baptised the child elsewhere how would the church know? Maybe someone else can add to your thread on this one.
Marion
Census information Crown Copyright, in care of TNA.
Moreton from Abingdon-Morton from Westham-Davies from ILLOGAN & Westham-Whitehead from Falkirk ,Ireland & Woolwich-Plant from Watermans Field Woolwich,Litchfield ,Ireland, The cape Of Good Hope-Prisk from St Hilary & Marazion-Levitt from Fleet Lincs & Islington-Sturgeon from Suffolk-McClelland from Antrim & Aldershot-Whittlesea from Cambridgeshire-Rowe from Marazion-Head from Woolwich--Carr from St Giles Oxfordshire-Ackley from Loughborough
Yes and Parish Relief ( the forerunner of the current Benefits system) may come into it.
A parish wouldn't want to take on another parishes 'liabilities' nor would they want to if they knew who the father was!
Poor Law Act, we all learnt at school and wish we had paid more attention in class!
Elsabels
Google..
Bastardy or Illegitimacy in England 1800's
I was trying to add a link for you but it wont copy..
Bastardy or Illegitimacy in England
... To indemnify the father of a bastard child no smaller sum shall be accepted than Eighteen pound eighteen shillings ... Law of 1732-4 ordains that a woman pregnant with a bastard child is to declare herself so, and to name the father.
Census information Crown Copyright, in care of TNA.
Moreton from Abingdon-Morton from Westham-Davies from ILLOGAN & Westham-Whitehead from Falkirk ,Ireland & Woolwich-Plant from Watermans Field Woolwich,Litchfield ,Ireland, The cape Of Good Hope-Prisk from St Hilary & Marazion-Levitt from Fleet Lincs & Islington-Sturgeon from Suffolk-McClelland from Antrim & Aldershot-Whittlesea from Cambridgeshire-Rowe from Marazion-Head from Woolwich--Carr from St Giles Oxfordshire-Ackley from Loughborough
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Google..
Bastardy or Illegitimacy in England 1800's
I was trying to add a link for you but it wont copy..
Bastardy or Illegitimacy in England
... To indemnify the father of a bastard child no smaller sum shall be accepted than Eighteen pound eighteen shillings ... Law of 1732-4 ordains that a woman pregnant with a bastard child is to declare herself so, and to name the father.
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thank you for the replies. i would have thought though instead of having spinster it would have the son as illigitamate - so it makes me wonder if the father was named as i have wedding certs on this person nameing his father who has the same surname as his mother! very strange!
Hello
Worry not....I have Kitchin marrying Kitchin when all sorted they are from 2 different famillies!
Search around the parish records or post on this site for members ideas....
Elsbels
Kimberlynn,
Can is suggest to you that you get a copy of the book I mentioned by Anthony Adoplh..Maybe your local Library might have a copy and you can sit down and have a good read..I know what your asking but unless the Mother of the child was really up front about the birth of her illegitimate child how would anyone have known the real truth? Although back in those days people lived in fear of the church they were still prone to telling pork pies to cover up shame or what ever the reason might be..As I stated before people did not go around with I.D in their pockets.. On my Grandparents Marriage Cert, my Grandfather stated his Father's name was the same as his and that his Father was deceased.. Not so..A fib..My Grandfather was born under a different surname but kept his Mother's maiden name all through his life. (He was illegitimate.)
Marion
Census information Crown Copyright, in care of TNA.
Moreton from Abingdon-Morton from Westham-Davies from ILLOGAN & Westham-Whitehead from Falkirk ,Ireland & Woolwich-Plant from Watermans Field Woolwich,Litchfield ,Ireland, The cape Of Good Hope-Prisk from St Hilary & Marazion-Levitt from Fleet Lincs & Islington-Sturgeon from Suffolk-McClelland from Antrim & Aldershot-Whittlesea from Cambridgeshire-Rowe from Marazion-Head from Woolwich--Carr from St Giles Oxfordshire-Ackley from Loughborough
Do you KNOW that the father on the marriage cert IS the father? Lots of illegitimate children invented a father for respectability on the cert and naturally they'd ensure the surname matched.
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Kimberlynn,
Can is suggest to you that you get a copy of the book I mentioned by Anthony Adoplh..Maybe your local Library might have a copy and you can sit down and have a good read..I know what your asking but unless the Mother of the child was really up front about the birth of her illegitimate child how would anyone have known the real truth? Although back in those days people lived in fear of the church they were still prone to telling pork pies to cover up shame or what ever the reason might be..As I stated before people did not go around with I.D in their pockets.. On my Grandparents Marriage Cert, my Grandfather stated his Father's name was the same as his and that his Father was deceased.. Not so..A fib..My Grandfather was born under a different surname but kept his Mother's maiden name all through his life. (He was illegitimate.)
Marion
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thanks marion, you have helped me before i will indeed try for the book, many thanks
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