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    AA Member Junior Member julia is an unknown quantity at this point
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    Hi and a Happy New Year to you all!

    I would really love some help in trying to trace the Frings and Scarfe families.

    My Gt Grandmother was Florence Scarfe, she married Charles Richardson around 1916. Her parents were Wilhelmina Frings and Frank Thomas Scarfe. I know nothing much of Frank.

    Wilhelmina's parents were Thirza Matthews and John Frings, who at the time of the 1881 census was in Lewes Prison as a criminal prisoner, I would like to know what his crime was?

    John's mother was also called Wilhelmina, she was born in Germany, so I have no idea about her either.

    Am dearly hoping someone out there can help me.

    Look forward to hearing from you

    Julia

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    Hello Julia



    a site you might like www.freebmd.org.uk

    Marriage Florence Emma SCARFE to Charles William RICHARDSON Q3 Sept 1916 Islington



    30/09/1916 Charles son of FREDERICK RICHARDSON at St Annes Poole Park Islington



    Florence E SCARFE b1894 Islington baptised 16/10/1895 St Ann Poole's PArk Islington of 31 Olwen Road Islington d/o Frank Thoams SCARFE & wilhemia SCARFE





    d/o Frank Thomas SCARFE married Wilmenia FRINGS Q2 June 1894 Islington 1b 528



    1901 census RG13 169

    19 Victor Road Islington

    SCARFE Frank 27 Bricklayer Wood green

    Wilhemia 26 Islington as were the children

    Florence 6

    Frank 5

    Fred 4

    Selian ( Lillian) 3

    Arthur 1

    DOUGHTY Ann 33 Lodger



    You will be able to get a copy of the Parish record entry form the local RO or maybe a memebr of the site is more experienced and can get them form the site!

    If no one else picks up I will have alook later......



    Tea beckons.....



    Elsabels

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    Hello

    John FRINGS



    try www.blacksheepancestors.com



    www.timesonline.co.uk archive dated 02/12/1875 has an entry about John FRINGS ...obtaining a pair of trouser.....false pretences......to read the full transcript requires the purchase of a day pass for £4.95, this is around the time Wilhelmina was born, so it is likley that each time he was out of prison? another child was conceived?



    The latest child Ernest is probably reg as Charles Jos in 1881



    From Brighton PR



    Marriage in Brighton 10/08/1868

    John FRINGS age abt 21 s/o Herbert FRINGS to

    Thirza MATTHEWS age abt 20 d/o James MATTHEWS



    BMD

    William J FRINGS birth 1869 Brighton

    William J FRINGS death 1870 aged 1 St Giles



    [b]Wilhemina FRINGS



    1871 95 Picaddilly

    Mina FRINGS 53 married Domestic ( someone has added the surname of JONES, which I think is incorrect!)



    1881 with dau in law



    1891 Islington District workhouse

    as Mina FRINGS widow b 1818 Nassam Germany



    1901 Holloway District Prison ( Workhouse?)

    Mina FRINGS ret cook aged 81 b Jeatzn on the Rhyne Germany



    1904 death Islington Wilhelmina C FRINGS



    Elsabels

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    London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

    Name: Frank Thomas Scarfe Record Type: Baptism Date: 16 Oct 1895 *

    Father's Name: Frank Thomas Scarfe Mother's Name: Wilhelmina Scarfe

    Parish: Saint Anne, Poole'S Park Borough: Islington County: Middlesex



    London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

    Name: Florence Emily Scarfe Record Type: Baptism Date: 16 Oct 1895 *

    Father's Name: Frank Thomas Scarfe Mother's Name: Wilhelmina Scarfe

    Parish: Saint Anne, Poole'S Park Borough: Islington County: Middlesex



    London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

    Name: Frederick Charles Scarfe Record Type: Baptism Date: 15 Sep 1898 **

    Father's Name: Frank Thomas Scarfe Mother's Name: Wilhelmina Scarfe

    Parish: Saint Anne, Poole'S Park Borough: Islington County: Middlesex



    London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

    Name: Lilian Gladys Scarfe Record Type: Baptism Date: 15 Sep 1898 **

    Father's Name: Frank Thomas Scarfe Mother's Name: Wilhelmina Scarfe

    Parish: Saint Anne, Poole'S Park Borough: Islington County: Middlesex
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892

    Name: John Frings

    Date of Trial: 6 Dec 1875

    Trial Year: 1875

    Location of Trial: Middlesex, England

    Middlesex General Sessions

    Sentence: Imprisonment 2 Months

    Crime : larceny and receiving
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    Hello



    HERBERT FRINGS could be the anglicised version of HERMANN



    NASSAM is actually NASSAU germany



    Put these together and there is info on Ancestry related to a Hermann FRINGS, sadly I do not have a subscription that allows me to view.



    Elsabels

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    AA Member Junior Member julia is an unknown quantity at this point
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    Thankyou so much Elsabels and Noggin28, you have both exceeded my expectations!

    Regards

    Julia

 

 

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