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    Default Looing for William and Selina Shardlow before 1871

    Ahhhhh!!

    These 2 are driving me to distraction!! William was born 1827 in Manchester and his wife Selina was born in 1832 in Bulwell.



    They are very easy to pick up in the 1871 census:



    Shardlow William 44 Head Framesmith Manchester, Cambridge Street, Radford

    Shardlow Selina 39 Wife Upholstress Bulwell, Nottinghamshire

    Shardlow Henry 19 Son Plumber Bulwell, Nottinghamshire

    Shardlow William C 11 Son Radford, Nottinghamshire

    Shardlow Frank 7 Son Radford, Nottinghamshire

    Shardlow Horace 3 Son Radford, Nottinghamshire

    Shardlow Annie 1 Daughter Radford, Nottinghamshire



    I can't find them anywhere in the earlier census records though. They have probably been mis-spelt but I can't seem to pick them up, although I am using a new subscription service which I am only just working out!



    Could anyone out there help me move my afternoon along and find these 2 in any of the earlier records. I think that they got married in 1850 - it would be great to find William with his family in 1841. I think that Selina was Selina Stevenson and her parents were John and Sarah.



    Thanks for your time.



    Neil

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    Default Re: Looing for William and Selina Shardlow before 1871

    Hi Neil

    Is this them in 1861

    1861 England Census

    about William Shardlow






    Name:William ShardlowAge:34Estimated birth year:abt 1827Relation:HeadSpouse's name:SelinaGender:MaleWhere born:ManchesterCivil parish:RadfordEcclesiastical parish:PancrasCounty/Island:NottinghamshireCountry:EnglandStreet Address:



    Occupation:



    Condition as to marriage:



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    Registration district:RadfordSub-registration district:RadfordED, institution, or vessel:4Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:75Household Members:NameAgeWilliam Shardlow34Selina Shardlow29William C Shardlow1

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    Default Re: Looing for William and Selina Shardlow before 1871

    That's definitely them Don! Thanks so much. I have just swapped over to try thegenealogist.co.uk having been on ancestry before and I still can't pick this entry up at all!

    I'll try looking for the son William C Shardlow, see if it helps...



    The date of birth you have is a few years earlier than I thought which means that in 1841 he may well have been rounded up to the age 20, in which case his parents are Joseph and Hannah.



    Shardlow Joseph 40 - Journeyman Frame Work Knitter Yes Needle Row, Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire

    Shardlow Hannah 35 -

    Shardlow William 20 - Frame Work Knitter

    Shardlow John 15 - Y

    Shardlow Henry 10 -

    Shardlow George 10 -

    Shardlow Frederick 8 -

    Shardlow Robert 5 -

    Shardlow Charles 3 -

    Shardlow Reuben 6 -

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    Default Re: Looing for William and Selina Shardlow before 1871

    looking at freebmd for the marriage brings up on same page



    Marriages Sep 1850

    Jeffryes Mary Ann St Leonard 2389

    Kennedy Sarah Shoreditch 2389

    Miller Charles St Leonard 2389

    Shardlow William Enoch Shoreditch 2389

    Smith George Shoreditch 2389

    Stevenson Selina St Leonard 2389

    TOLLEY Richard Shoreditch 2389

    Young Susan Shoreditch 2389



    i also thought that if they are in different areas ie one st leonard and one in shoreditch it meant they did not match up. however this is the only william selina marrige i can see
    Census information Crown Copyright, in care of TNA

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    Default Re: Looing for William and Selina Shardlow before 1871

    Here is henry baptism



    CountyNottinghamshirePlaceBulwellChurchSt

    BaptismDate23 Nov 1851ForenameHenry-

    FatherForenameWilliam

    MotherForenameSelina

    FatherSurnameSHARDLOW

    MotherSurname

    FatherOccupationBlacksmith

    NotesFileNumber11024
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    Default Re: Looing for William and Selina Shardlow before 1871

    This could be Selina in 1841

    1841 England Census

    Name: Selina Shevenson Age: 10

    Estimated birth year: abt 1831

    Gender: Female Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

    Civil parish: Bulwell

    John Shevenson 45 Sarah Shevenson 50

    Harriet Shevenson 30 John Shevenson 25 Ewd Shevenson 20 Sarah Shevenson 15 Selina Shevenson 10
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    Default Re: Looing for William and Selina Shardlow before 1871

    Thank you both for your time - that is all very interesting. I hadn't got the baptism record at all so thank you.

    BMD says that Shoreditch and St Leonard are basically names for the same place so I guess it is fine to go with the Selina and William match. But why would they get married there?! And I have never seen another reference to him being William "Enoch" Shardlow. Having said that, the dates would be perfect for a a 1850 marriage and as you say there are no other possible Selinas on BDM. What are the chances of there being two William Shardlows and them both marrying Selinas at about the same time?!



    The evidence must be out there...!!

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    Default Re: Looing for William and Selina Shardlow before 1871

    I found the Bulwell baptisms:



    http://www.broxtowehundred.co.uk/bulrec.htm#1



    I found Edward 1820, Sarah 1822, Goerge 1825 and William 1831 all children of John and Sarah Stevenson, but of course, NO SELINA!! The closest Selina to an 1830 baptism was illegitmate. There are a few others around this year though. Frustratingly, there don't seem to be records of marriages past 1838 either!

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    Default Re: Looing for William and Selina Shardlow before 1871

    there are a few william shardlow marriages in nottingham although none to a selina it would seem. i wonder if selina was a middle name or if they didnt marry but lived as man and wife or whether it was a second marriage etc it does funny seem they should marry in shoreditch when all census births etc seem to take place in nottingham area.



    i note selina dies before 1881 census



    Name:Selina ShardlowEstimated birth year:abt 1832Year of Registration:1879Quarter of Registration:Apr-May-JunAge at Death:47District:RadfordCounty:NottinghamshireVolu me:7bPage:121



    i would work back fro definites and perhaps get the birth certiifcate for one of their children - perhaps a direct ancestor if it is a direct line. that would confirm parents names etc.



    Name:Henry ShardlowYear of Registration:1851Quarter of Registration:Oct-Nov-DecDistrict:BasfordCountyDerbyshire, NottinghamshireVolume:15Page:465
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    Default Re: Looing for William and Selina Shardlow before 1871

    SELINA STEVENSON - International Genealogical Index

    Gender: Female Christening: 17 JUN 1831 Bulwell, Nottingham, England



    Parents: Father: JOHN STEVENSON Mother: SARAH



    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....ttingham.htm#B



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