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    Default CARNES 20th century Sculcoates, Yorkshire, East Riding

    I am trying to determine who the parents and siblings are of Charles Hector CARNES b 31 Mar 1903, Sculcoates. I believe he is the son of Charles William Carnes and Annie Maud. But I am not sure at all.



    Any help in learning about this family is much appreciated.

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    Default Re: CARNES 20th century Sculcoates, Yorkshire, East Riding

    the easiest way to be certain of his parents is to buy his birth certiifcate



    Name:Charles Hector CarnesYear of Registration:1903 Quarter of Registration:Apr-May-Jun District:Sculcoates County:Yorkshire - East Riding Volume:9d Page:173



    i assume you have looked at the 1911 census to get the parents info.annie maud born 1876 and charles william born 1873 it is the only one i can see so prob right but to be certain you would need certificate
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    Default Re: CARNES 20th century Sculcoates, Yorkshire, East Riding

    here they are in 1901



    Name:Charles William CarnesAge:28 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1873Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Annie MaudGender:MaleWhere born:Hull, Yorkshire, EnglandCivil parish:Sculcoates Ecclesiastical parish:Newington St John the Baptist County/Island:Yorkshire Country:England Street Address:



    Registration district:Sculcoates Sub-registration district:Hessle ED, institution, or vessel:31 Household schedule number:46Household Members:NameAgeCharles William Carnes28 Annie Maud Carnes25 Madge Catherine Carnes1

    Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4478; Folio: 154; Page: 8.
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    Default Re: CARNES 20th century Sculcoates, Yorkshire, East Riding

    and a marriage

    Name:Charles William CarnesYear of Registration:1897 Quarter of Registration:Apr-May-Jun District:Sculcoates County:Yorkshire - East Riding Volume:9d Page:276



    bride annie maud gasson
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    Default Re: CARNES 20th century Sculcoates, Yorkshire, East Riding

    and fathers birth

    Name:Charles William CarnesYear of Registration:1872 Quarter of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec District:Sculcoates County:Yorkshire - East Riding Volume:9d Page:173



    and mothers

    Name:Anne Maud GassonYear of Registration:1875 Quarter of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep District:Hull (1854 Onw) County:Yorkshire - East Riding, Humberside Volume:9d Page:227



    and in 1881 with mum



    Name:Annie Maud GassonAge:5 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1876 Relationaughter Mother's Name:Sarah MarthaGender:FemaleWhere born:Hull, Yorkshire, EnglandCivil parish:Kingston-Upon-Hull County/Island:Yorkshire Country:England Street Address:68 Jackson St



    Occupation:ScholarRegistration district:Hull Sub-registration district:Myton ED, institution, or vessel:29 Household Members:NameAgeSarah Martha Gasson36 Fanny Catherine Gasson14 Eva Alice Gasson8 Annie Maud Gasson5 Wm. Chas. Elgo Hix Gasson2 Gertrude Mabel Gasson Maria Thompson47



    father is a mariner and obviously away from home
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    Default Re: CARNES 20th century Sculcoates, Yorkshire, East Riding

    these are the carnes births in sculcoates between 1899 and 1912 when the mothers maiden name is given and i can see they are not your family



    Births Sep 1899

    Carnes Amy Sculcoates 9d236

    Carnes Madge Catherine Sculcoates 9d152

    Births Mar 1900

    Carnes James Sculcoates 9d245

    Births Sep 1900

    Carnes Elsie Sculcoates 9d256

    Births Sep 1901

    Carnes Ruby Gertrude Sculcoates 9d168

    Births Jun 1903

    CARNES Charles Hector Sculcoates 9d173

    Births Sep 1908

    Carnes Evelyn Gladys Sculcoates 9d274

    Births Sep 1909

    CARNES John Lawrence B Sculcoates 9d268





    as there is this death

    Dec 1903 Carnes Madge Catherine 4 Sculcoates 9d107



    and only charles hector appears in 1911 i assume most of them are probable not yours but may be cousins etc. ther only other one that might be is evelyn that died before the 1911 census



    Deaths Dec 1908 Carnes Evelyn Gladys 0 Sculcoates 9d157
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    Default Re: CARNES 20th century Sculcoates, Yorkshire, East Riding

    Thank you much Welch Lady. You certainly provided much information for me. Problem is this: I'm not sure who the parents are of Charles Hector Carnes, b. Sculcoates 31 Mar 1903. I only know for certain that he is the same Charles Hector Carnes that you have provided information on. He is my late (and I could say GREAT) father-in-law. From the information that you have, can you reasonably believe that his parents were Annie maud Gasson and Charles William Carnes?



    I also know that the little girl Madge Catherine, born 1899 and died 1903, was the daughter of Charles William and Annie Maud Carnes.



    I don't know where you are, but I am in Greenville, South Carolina, USA. My late husband migrated to New York City in/about 1948. My husband, his sister, and his parents are all deceased. So I have very little to go on here.



    Before I start spending money for certificates, etc., I would like to know that I am on the right trail. That is, I would like to know for sure who were parents of Charles Hector CARNES (my father-in-law).



    Again, I thank you for your time and for your contribution. If I can ever be of help to you, please do not hesitate to ask.



    Troysdau in SC, USA



    PS I do not have access to England's 1911 Census Report. Actually, I have done a great deal of research through Ancestry.com. But it seems that they are not as forthcoming with information as they were when I first began.

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    Default Re: CARNES 20th century Sculcoates, Yorkshire, East Riding

    i think you can safely say that all the info i provided relates to the charles carnes , son of ann gasson and charles william carnes of sculcoates. as to whether it is who you are after i cant be certain. however what i would say is that it is the only charles i can see registered in sculcoates for that quarter and year and with the middle name hector given as well makes it very unlikely it isnt him. i do believe it is him



    if it was me i would send for the birth certificate of 1903. if it comes back with a birth date of 31 march then i think you can be absoulely certain. i do not think you would find another charles hector carnes born on exactly same day in sculcoates. it is not the most common combination of names.



    the 1911 census gave the info of charles and anne with son charles living in sculcoates.



    then you could follow it further . come back if you need any more help
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    Default Carnes

    Hi, I was just browsing the internet looking for anything about my grandfather, Charles Hector Carnes, and came across this site. He was definitely born March 31 st. I do have his birth certificate @ home and can verify the year. He was born in Hull, England and came to NYC after being shipwrecked(Merchant Marine) in WW11. I can also verify the parents names on the birth certificate. Unfortunately, I am at work right now. I also know he had one brother. He was married to Annie Kinlen and they had 3 children, Peter, Joan and Catherine. Catherine is still alive and well. I am daughter of Joan.

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    This looks like the marriage reg for Charles. Do you have a copy if so what are the fathers names and occupations.

    England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
    Name: Charles H Carnes
    Spouse Surname: Kinlen
    Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1933
    Registration district: South Shields
    Inferred County: Durham
    Volume Number: 10a
    Page Number: 1023
    Spouse: Annie Kinlen

    If you have acces to Ancestry world wide, look under Immigration & Travel it lists all the ships he worked on, his occupation and include the ship wreck. Sometimes the next of kin are listed on the crew/passenger lists. Look especally before he married in 1933.
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