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    Default Littleman family from Lancashire

    My great, great grandfather, John Hunt (born c1830) married Charlotte Littleman (born c1836) , at St.Philip registry office in Manchester in 1855. Charlotte's parents were John Littleman(born c1802), a blacksmith & Lucy (born c1810). I found John's family in the 1851 cencus, but under the name of Lilliman ( an error in transcrition ? ), however since then I've been unable to find any trace of his family under either name. I would appreciate any further information of thier history.



    Regards, Tom

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    Hi Tom



    A little more info would be helpful.



    Where was Charlotte born ? The 1851 Census you refer to it is Lilliman and on this she was born in Gainsborough, Lincs. Did you get her father's name from the marriage cert if not how do you know her parents names ? This is were certs become inportant. Where was John Hunt born ? I

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    Is this the Family ? If so you might be right that Littleman as been written as Lilliman and is the same Charlotte is was born in Gainsborough. I would still want the Marriage cert for prove of her father.



    1861 England Census Name: Charlotte Hunt Age: 22

    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Wife Boarder (Boarder's Wife)

    Spouse's Name: John Gender: Female

    Where born: Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England

    Civil parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude

    County/Island: Lancashire Country: England

    Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Ancoats

    Household Members: Name Age

    Joseph Thomas 22 John Hunt 30 Charlotte Hunt 22 Alfred Hunt 4 John William Hunt 2 Thomas Hunt 1



    Its says on the census that Johnis from Hulme, Lancs

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    Yes Noggin, your 1861 census entry ties up with the 1851 one, thankyou. However I'm mainly interested with the Littleman family history. I have John & Charlotte's marriage certificate (where I got her father's name & occupation) & also the birth certificate of thier first son, Alfred (my great grandfather), who was born in Ashton- under-Lyne in 1856. Thanks again for your interest in my search.



    Regards,Tom

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    Hi Tom,

    This site might be able to help you. http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk/



    I am still looking for Charlottes family. I think the surname is the problem it seems to have been spelt a number of ways. Littleman, Lilliman, Lillyman, Lylleyman, Lyllyman.



    I found these two entries which might by Charlottes sisters :



    IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles

    ANN LYLLYMAN Christening: 09 MAR 1833 Gainsborough, Lincoln, England

    Parents: Father: JOHN LYLLYMAN Mother: LUCY



    IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles

    LUCY LILLYMAN Christening: 04 OCT 1834 Gainsborough, Lincoln, England

    Parents: Father: JOHN LILLYMAN Mother: LUCY



    On the BMD index there is also a death for a John Lilliman in Gainsborough in 1849.
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    Just found this :



    England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

    Name: Charlotte Lillyman

    Year of Registration: 1838

    Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec

    District: Gainsborough

    County: Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire

    Volume: 14

    Page: 290
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    1841 England Census Name: Lucy Lillyman Age: 5

    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Gender: Female Where born: Lincolnshire, England

    Civil parish: Gainsborough Hundred: Corringham County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England

    Registration district: Gainsborough Sub-registration district: Gainsborough

    Household Members: Name Age

    John Lillyman 40 Lucy Lillyman 30 Ann Lillyman 8 Lucy Lillyman 5 Sarah Lillyman 5 Charlotte Lillyman 2 David Lillyman 15
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    It shows that John 1801 came from Sturton Notts on the Census. This is what I found :



    IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles

    JOHN LILLIMAN Christening: 07 MAY 1801 Sturton Cum Fenton, Nottingham, England

    Parents: Father: WILLIAM LILLIMAN Mother: CHARLOTTE



    IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles

    JOHN LILLYMAN Christening: 17 MAY 1807 Sturton Cum Fenton, Nottingham, England

    Parents: Father: WILLIAM LILLYMAN Mother: CHARLOTTE
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    Default Re: Littleman family from Lancashire

    Thanks again Noggin for your extensive search on my behalf, you certainly have been busy on it. I have yet to analyse all the info you've given, but it looks like there is some co-relation between the Lilliman & Littlleman names. I've also noticed on John/Charlotte Littleman's marriage certificate, that one of the witness was Sarah Littleman, who I presume was Charlotte's elder sister. So any relevant family lists (eg census records) should include her name, which may help narrow the field down somewhat.



    Best regards, Tom

 

 

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