Thread: JANE JAMES (or ROWE?) of Cornwall

Re: Jane Rowe James who possibly came to australia just under then name Jane Rowe with her family



Can anyone help with further information on a Jane Rowe James who I think migrated to Australia in 1853.



I also know from Janes marriage certificate that her father was William James (she was married in 1858 to a John Parr is South Australia). Also on the marriage certifacate are two witnesses Henry Rowe (possibly grandfather if my theory is correct) and Jane Rowe (possibly a sister in law)



Below is the 1841 Census record which I think is a possible match the Rowe family and possibly the Jane I am searching for. The reason that I beleive this is a possible match is that I have loceted shipping record for this family and has them arriving in South Australia in 1853).



I am not 100% sure were the name James came into the name but have a theory that maybe one of the children (eg Elizabeth) had a child out of wedlock?? Does anyone have access to birth enteries for the Jane mentioned below?



1841 England Census

Name: Jane Rowe

Age: 2

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839

Gender: Female

Where born: Cornwall, England



Civil parish: Wendron

Hundred: Kerrier

County/Island: Cornwall

Country: England



Street Address:

Registration district: Helston

Sub-registration district: Helston

Household Members:

Henry Rowe 45

Lydia Rowe 45

Peter Rowe 20

Henry Rowe 20

William Rowe 15

Edwin Rowe 5

Elizabeth Rowe 25

Emma Rowe 15

Maria Rowe 10

Jane Rowe 2



The following member of the family migrated to Australia in 1853

Henry Rowe

William Rowe (and wife Jane and a child Lydia)

Edwin Rowe (and wife Jane)

Elizabeth Rowe

Maria Rowe

Jane Rowe

I'm a little confused here can you clarify.



Are you looking for Jane Rowe, Jane James or Jane Rowe James.



If the marriage cert states that her father is William James where does the Rowe come in. what age is she on the marriage cert. ie how do you know she was born in 1839. Is her name Rowe or James on the Cert. Henry and Jane Rowe witnesses could just have been friend.



The census suggests that Henry and Lydia Rowe are Janes parents but the 1941 census does not give relationships.



Surely if her fathers name was William James she would have travelled to Australia as Jane James.



Am prepared to look up anything if you can supply some answers to the above

Have looked at the marriage cert. I see Jane was age 18 ie 1840. Still not sure about Rowe, its written a number of times on the cert and can be read Towe, Kowe and Rowe. How do you know she came from Cornwall ?

[quote name='noggin28']I'm a little confused here can you clarify.

Are you looking for Jane Rowe, Jane James or Jane Rowe James.

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Jane Rowe James is the person I am looking for

If the marriage cert states that her father is William James where does the Rowe come in. what age is she on the marriage cert. ie how do you know she was born in 1839. Is her name Rowe or James on the Cert. Henry and Jane Rowe witnesses could just have been friend.

The marriage certificate has her age as 18 and father as William James. Her surname on the certificate is James and the wintnesses are Henry Rowe and Jane Rowe

The census suggests that Henry and Lydia Rowe are Janes parents but the 1941 census does not give relationships.

Agree that this looks the case (and quite possibly is the case), but I would like to rule this Jane in or out as a possibility.

[quote name='noggin28']Have looked at the marriage cert. I see Jane was age 18 ie 1840. Still not sure about Rowe, its written a number of times on the cert and can be read Towe, Kowe and Rowe. [/quote]



The scanned image of the certificate that I added to ancestry.com is not quite as clear as the orginal I have at home, but that aside



I believe the name is Rowe for the following reasons

- Janes death record also has her name as Jane Rowe Parr (Parr being her married name)

- The entry in the Trinity Church marriage register is a lot clearer and the names are Rowe for Jane, Henry and Jane.

How do you know she came from Cornwall ?

The only infomration I am going on is based upon a likely match to this family who migrated on the William Stuart in 1853 and the shipping records states that they are from cornwall. Refer to shipping list in the link below



http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/au...stuart1853.htm

I have looked at all the ships lists from 1846-1857 that arrived in Adelaide from any port in the uk. I can't find an entry for a Jane (Fowe) James or a William James.



This would appear to leave three options:

• Jane was born in Australia.
  
• or she travelled out under another surname (I have my doults about this)
  
• her was father sent out as a convict. If so is there a Marriage recorded for a William James around 1830/40
  

Have you looked for her birth cert there ? or her fathers death cert. It says father deceased on marr cert, where did he die, England or Australia. Is there a John Parr and Jane James listed on the same ship, might be where they met.



Was her mother alive when she married. What sort of census do have for South Aust. if any. Was there one around 1840/60



Records for South Australia are not the best to access from the UK.

Thankyou for your replies and your time, it is greatly appreciated . Good to have someone to work this one through with



[quote name='noggin28']I have looked at all the ships lists from 1846-1857 that arrived in Adelaide from any port in the uk. I can't find an entry for a Jane (Fowe) James or a William James.

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Currently I am interested in finding out the birth parents of Jane Rowe who was aged 2 when she arrived in South Australia. You will see the Jane I am referring to at the bottom of this url http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/au...stuart1853.htm



It is highly likely that the Jane Parr above is not the Jane Rowe James that I am looking for, but because of the other family members living in the same house and also because Henry Rowe is a witness on the marriage certificate I need to rule this Jane in or out.



[quote name='noggin28']

This would appear to leave three options:

• Jane was born in Australia.
  

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I have been through all the South Australian birth records at the South Australian state library and no Jane Rowe or Jane Rowe James was born here for that period.



[quote name='noggin28']

• or she travelled out under another surname (I have my doults about this)
  

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This is the scenario I would like to rule in or out by checking the birth record for Jane Rowe (the only close match is the Jane Rowe aged 2 from the ship passenger list mentioned above)



[quote name='noggin28']

• her was father sent out as a convict. If so is there a Marriage recorded for a William James around 1830/40
  

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Good thought. This could be a possibility. There are some South Australian convict records that I will check out in the next week



[quote name='noggin28']

Have you looked for her birth cert there ?

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That is what I am currently trying to locate, thus my interest in Jane Rowes (the Jane Rowe who migrated out on the ship listed above) birth record.



[quote name='noggin28']

or her fathers death cert. It says father deceased on marr cert, where did he die, England or Australia.

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Where on the marriage certificate does it state that her father was deceased? Are we looking at different certificates? I have uploaded the certificate I am referring to here http://www.familytreeoz.com/parr-family-tree.html



[quote name='noggin28']

Is there a John Parr and Jane James listed on the same ship, might be where they met.

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Unfortunately not. The arrival of John Parr is South Australia is also an unknown. The only thing I do know is that in the Biographical index of South Australians 1836-1885 it states that John Parr had arrived in South Australia by 1859. You can see a copy of the page from this document here http://www.familytreeoz.com/parr-family-tree.html



[quote name='noggin28']

Was her mother alive when she married. What sort of census do have for South Aust. if any. Was there one around 1840/60

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So far I have not found any information to suggest one way or the other as to her mother being alive or not.



[quote name='noggin28']

Records for South Australia are not the best to access from the UK.[/quote]

I live here is South Australia so get easily get hold of records at the State Library

I'm going to throw another option in here, Jane Rowe James. Her fathers name is William James. (not deceased) on the cert. Could Jane have been previously married to someone with the surname Rowe (I know this would mean she married every young but not impossible)

Here's another one :

In the 1851 census there is an Elizabeth Rowe widow with 3 children one of them being Jane Rowe b1840. Could this Elizabeth have married a William James and then gone to Australia or gone as a widow to Australia and married William James.

There is the following entry on freedbm:



Surname Given Name District Volume Page Births Dec 1837 ROWE Jane St.Columb Major 9 49The district St.Columb Major is an alternative name for St Columb and it is in the county of Cornwall;



The birth certificate might give you a lot more information.