Thread: Ireland family

I`m looking for any information on Elizabeth Ireland c1894 , who married John charles Johnston in 1913 at Shoreditch Register Office. They were my grandparents.

Hi Ibrahim,



If you purchase their marriage certificate, you will get the name of her father and her age at marriage. This should help in finding her on the census.





Marraiges Sep 1913



Johnston , John C Ireland

Shoreditch 1c 265

Hi Ibrahim, here is a an entry from the 1901 census:-



Forename Surname Age Area District

Edith Ireland 13 Bethnal Green,

Elizabeth Ireland 43 Bethnal Green,

Elizabeth Ireland 8 Bethnal Green,

Emma Ireland 15 Bethnal Green,

Rose Ireland 9 Bethnal Green,

Thomas Ireland 18 Bethnal Green,

WalterIreland 42 Bethnal Green,



Regards,Tom

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Her father`s name was John Ireland and he was deceased when she married in 1913. His occupation was Stone Mason. Her age is 19 years.



If the 1901 census is her family then the Walter could have been her uncle if he was lodging with them, what does the census say re relationship to them?



Regards, Ibrahim

Hi

If the father was John, here is an alternative census entry. The father - John was a scrap turner? and brass finisher.

Name: Elizabeth M Ireland

Age: 5

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896

Relation: Daughter

Father's Name: John Henry

Mother's Name: Margaret V A

Gender: Female

Where born: Greenwich, Essex, England



Civil parish: East Wickham

Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael

Town: East Wickham

County/Island: Kent

Country: England



Street Address: 6 Orchard Road Dartford

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image



Registration district: Dartford

Sub-registration district: Bexley

ED, institution, or vessel: 16

Household schedule number: 158

Household Members: Name Age

John Henry Ireland 50

Margaret V A Ireland 27

Elizabeth M Ireland 5

Albers E Ireland 4

Horace A Ireland 2

Elizabeth Ireland 26



This version would make Elizabeth 17 or 18 at the time of marriage.



The other census return with Walter showed Elizebeth as a daughter, and all the children being sons or daughters.



Brian

"If the 1901 census is her family then the Walter could have been her uncle if he was lodging with them, what does the census say re relationship to them?"



Sorry, I couldn't get any info on Walter's relationship with the family.



regards, Tom

Thanks for looking for me. I`m not sure where to look next, maybe try Irish records. According to her marriage cert she was 19 years, as her father was deceased as per cert I`m wondering who gave their permission for her to wed, as being under age of consent she would have needed adult signature.



Ibrahim

Hi

It might be worth investing in the Birth cert for Elizabeth M, as it depends when she was actually born, then the census date, as the age is based on how old she was at the census, (her stated age, not calculated on the birth date.) so it could be the she was just 4, or a few days off her 6th brithday.

Brian

Curious as to why there are two Elizabeth`s on the census list, but will invest in a birth cert. Do you have index no. page no. for the entry.