Thread: Lost Carr Children

I am trying to trace two "Lost" children.



Their father was John Edward Carr who was born in Belford, Durham, Northumberland in 1899. John served his country in the first world war and was a bombardier in the Royal Field Artillery (Regimental Number L/18964 1914-1919) He survived the war and continued to farm at Kirknewton, Nothumberland and Wester Wooden in the Scottish Borders. He died in 17th July 1970 in Innerleithen, Scotland.



He married Agnes May Hunter in 1924 in Berwick. She died 17th July 1970 in Kelso, Scotland.



Now, either just before their marriage or just after Agnes gave birth to two children. Whether they were twins or were born at separate times, I don't know. All I have is that they were born before 1926, one was a girl whom we believe to be Joan? the other a boy for which we have no name.



Now the real mystery is that apparently the two children were buried in an unmarked grave next, or near to the grave of John,s father and mother John Carr (1929) and Helen Carr* (1947) in Ellingham Cemetery, Northumberland.



*Maiden surname was Carr, John Married his cousin)



The had four children (over and above the lost two)



Jack Carr 19??

Winifred May Carr 1926 Belford, Northumberland.

Derek Carr 1937

Andrew Carr 1938



What I would like to know is,



What were the children's names?

When were they born?

When did they die?

Are they buried at Ellingham?



Not asking much am I. These children have been a real mystery to us, many members of the family have tried to trace them before us without success. It would be nice to be able to put names to to the poor wee souls, wherever they are?



SF

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005







Name:Joan W CarrMother's Maiden Surname:Hunter Date of Registration:Oct Nov Dec 1924Registration district:Belford Registration county:Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland Volume Number:10b Page Number:845

All these have the father Carr and mother Hunter



England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005

Name: Winfred M Carr

Mother's Maiden Surname: Hunter

Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1926

Registration district: Belford

Registration county: Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland

Volume Number: 10b

Page Number: 870



England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005

Name: John Carr ( Jack ? )

Mother's Maiden Surname: Hunter

Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1927

Registration district: Belford

Registration county: Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland

Volume Number: 10b

Page Number: 762



England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005

Name: Jessie Carr

Mother's Maiden Surname: Hunter

Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1920

Registration district: Tynemouth

Registration county: Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland

Volume Number: 10b

Page Number: 719



England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005

Name: Raymond Carr

Mother's Maiden Surname: Hunter

Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1919

Registration district: Newcastle T

Registration county: Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland

Volume Number: 10b

Page Number: 272

There was also these, but I think there were 4 Carr / Hunter marriages between 1914 -1924.



England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005

Name: Dennis H Carr

Mother's Maiden Surname: Hunter

Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1931

Registration district: Newcastle T

Registration county: Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland

Volume Number: 10b

Page Number: 197



England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005

Name: William A Carr

Mother's Maiden Surname: Hunter

Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1932

Registration district: Belford

Registration county: Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland

Volume Number: 10b

Page Number: 702



England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005

Name: Edward A Carr

Mother's Maiden Surname: Hunter

Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1935

Registration district: Newcastle T

Registration county: Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland

Volume Number: 10b

Page Number: 58

Hi Noggin28,



Many thanks for the speedy response.



The Joan W Carr confirms earlier thoughts we have always had. About a year ago when I was looking at this we were pretty certain about Joan, although we were not able to get much further that the fact that she had the right mother and father. The story surrounding Joan Carr was that Agnes Hunter had a sister called Ada. A rift existed between the two sisters over many years. Long after Agnes Hunter lost her child. Ada gave birth to a child whom she named Joan. It is thought that this was to spite her sister. Also, Ada apparently never married and the child was the result of an affair. This is what gave us clue as to the name of Agnes Hunters daughter who died very young.



I came across Raymond too about this time, But somehow dismissed him as the birth was registered in Newcastle, a long way from Berwick.



Jessie is a bit of a surprise, we didn't know about her and the surviving members of the Carr family have never mentioned her. Winifred May Carr died 11 years ago tomorrow 11th of May 1998. Jack died some years ago. The only one left is Andrew Carr.



Is there any way of finding out what year these children died?

Do your details give the father as John Carr, or is it just Carr?



regards,



SF

Hi Silverfox.



Suggest you start new thread for look up on the deaths of the Carr children you need or if you have access to a BMD index you start there.