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    Default Hart and Spouses

    Hello Listers,

    I wonder if anyone out there might have a moment to find the spouses of the children mentioned below.



    Daniel [or David] Hart married Elizabeth.

    Daniel was born in Whitechapel Lnd.

    His parents were Zalig Solomon Hart b1818 and mothers Mary Hannah Joel c1820.

    Children.

    Mary........1870c

    Eliza........1875c

    Zalig.......1876c

    Mark [Morris]...........1879

    Julia......1882

    Rae........1884

    Harry........1889

    Joseph............1890



    My best wishes to all, Hawks.
    Hart, Button, Sowter, Hoffman, Lintenbrink, Tattersall,

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    Hi,

    I've had a look on FreeBMD and there is no marriage listed for Rae. There is a marriage for Zalig

    Jun 1902 London C. 1c 73

    He married either Margaret Jones or Elizabeth Wheatley. You'll need to send for the certificate to find out which one.

    For the other Hart children there are too many marriages of people with those names to be certain of getting the right one. For example there are two entries for Julia Hart and several for Mary Hart.

    Can I suggest that you have a look for yourself and see if any of the names ring a bell

    Good luck

    Emeltee

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    Hi



    There is this marriage for a Zalig which would fit in his d.o.b. Spouse Edith Wheately or Margaret Jones. You would need to get the Birth cert or look up the 1911 census to establish which one he married.

    England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983

    about Zalig Hart





    Name:Zalig HartYear of Registration:1902 Quarter of Registration:Apr-May-Jun District:London City County:Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume:1c Page:73

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    Is this the Family ?



    1901 England Census Name: Daniel B Hart Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860

    Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Whitechapel

    Civil Parish: St Botolph Ecclesiastical parish: St Botolph

    County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 69 Middlesex Street

    Occupation: Fishmonger ( so are Zalig and Morris )

    Employment status: Self employed

    Registration district: London City Sub registration district: St Botolph

    Household schedule number: 161

    Household Members: Name Age

    Daniel B Hart 41; Elizabeth Hart 47; Zalig Hart 24; Morris Hart 22; Julia Hart 19

    Ray Hart 19 Harry Hart 12; Joseph Hart 11

    Annie Smith 40 widow dom servant

    Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 262; Folio: 24; Page: 39.



    Daniel B, Zalig & Morris where born in Whitechapel

    Julie & Ray in Mile End (Note spelt Ray on census)

    Joseph & Harry in London

    Elizabeth Wife in Romford Essex

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    Hi again

    There is a tanscript error on the 1901 census, Daniel is listed as age 41, on the original doc it is 48. Found the error when I lookedon the 1861 Census.

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    Ok Good Folk,

    We, I think can go with Elizabeth Wheatley as Zalig's wife. I already had a Elizabeth Unknown given by someone else.



    As regard Rae [or Ray] as memory serves we have had this discussion before and when the bottom line arrived she was female, hence Rae.



    Noggin, you ask the question, is this the family, the answer is yes, so now we are looking for the husbands and wives.



    Regards, Hawks
    Hart, Button, Sowter, Hoffman, Lintenbrink, Tattersall,

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    There is this entry for 1911 - would one be yours?

    _______________________________________



    Schedule type /Last names/First names/ Sex/ Birth year/Age in 1911/ District / other County / other



    HOUSEHOLD / HART / ELIZABETH/ F /1853/ 58/ London City / London



    A search for David does not give a result. If this is yours let me know.
    kptz

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    KPTZ,

    I'm going to honest and just ask you to clarify your question. As it is I just don't understand it.

    Regards, Hawk
    Hart, Button, Sowter, Hoffman, Lintenbrink, Tattersall,

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    I checked on Find My Past on the 1911 census. I did not find anything when I put in David's name. But when I put in Elizabeth's name, using the same residential information that Noggin28 had when she found your David and Elizabeth on the 1901 census, the information returned was for Elizabeth Hart living in London City. The birth information seems to fit. I am not that familiar with the districts and subdistricts in England.
    kptz

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    Here are David and Elizabeth in 1911 from the transcript of the image.

    ________________________________



    Name / Relationship / M?/ #Years / Sex / Age/ Occupation /Where Born





    HART, DANIEL HEAD MARRIED 45 M 60 FISHMONGER LONDON WHITECHAPEL

    HART, ELIZABETH WIFE MARRIED F 58 ESSEX ROMFORD

    HART, HARRY SON SINGLE M 24 BAKERS ASSISTANT LONDON ALDGATE

    HART, JOSEPH SON SINGLE M 22 FISHMONGER LONDON ALDGATE

    JOEL, ROSE SERVANT SINGLE F 23 GENERAL SERVANT DOMESTIC LONDON COUNTRY TOWN





    Source citation: 1911 UK Census



    HART ELIZABETH (RG14PN1285 RG78PN44 RD15 SD1 ED12 SN28)

    Address 69 MIDDLESEX ST E

    County London

    District London City

    Subdistrict St Botolph

    Enumeration District 12

    Parish





    Hopefully, this makes sense to you. This information has Harry and Joseph still living with their parents in 1911 Perhaps a search for the others in 1911 may give you more information. I don't have enough credits left to see the information for the others.
    kptz

 

 

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