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    Default Please need help for 1871 Census "SMALL"

    I am tracking down the census information for a John Small (head 40?) Catherine (wife 33?) and a possible son Peter (baby)



    John and Catherine born in Ireland.



    Should be (fingers crossed) living in Ashton In Makerfield Lancashire England.



    Attempting to find if another son (age around 17) is listed in this census.



    Any help would be greatly apprecited with thanks,



    From Canada with Love,



    Sue

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    Default Re: Please need help for 1871 Census "SMALL"

    Hi,

    In 1871 census there is:



    John Small,32yrs,Head, Carter, b. Ireland.

    Catherine Small, wife 33yrs, b. Ireland.

    Joseph Small, son 13yrs, Pony driver in coal mine, b.Warrington, Lancs.

    Thomas Small, 10yrs, scholar, b. Ashton in Makerfield.

    John Small, 9yrs, scholar, b, """"""""""""""""""""""""""

    Mary Small, 2yrs, b, """"""""""""""""""""""""""

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------

    There is a birth on Free BMD:

    Peter Small, June quarter 1871, Wigan 8c 141.



    Wigan registration district covers Ashton in Makerfield.



    Hope that helps.



    Liz



    PS. Sorry, should have said, they are living Ashton in Makerfield.

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    Default Re: Please need help for 1871 Census "SMALL"

    Thanks for the quick reply. This does not seem like the same family. I am so disappointed. It is just like a jig saw puzzle with a a missing piece that does not fit.



    In the 1881 census I have:



    John Small Head male 50 Kings County Ireland

    Catherine Wife 43 C Galloway

    Peter Son 10 Ashton in Mkld

    Edward Son 7 Ashton in Mkld



    Living at 2 Summers Yard

    Ashton in Makerfield Lancs



    The family would have been in Makerfield 10 years before if Pete and Edward where born their ten years before.



    I am at a loss now.John (head is to young) Catherine the right age, but the children in 1871 don't match with 1881.



    SO close yet so far away..



    Thanks you so very much for you time and effort.



    Was there anything listed at the Summer yard address?



    Have a wonderful day.



    Susan Smll

    Canada

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    Default Re: Please need help for 1871 Census "SMALL"

    if you follow the family forward through the census.

    in 1881 john and catherine with peter (10) and edward (7)

    in 1891 there is john and catherine with peter (20) and edward (17)

    in 1901 there is john and kate with peter (30) and edward (26) and joseph ( son born 1857). this would fit in with joseph on the 1871 census. Peter an edward would not be on 1871 census as they are born after census date.



    so that just leaves the question of where the missing chidlren were in 1881.



    well mary died



    Name:Mary SmallEstimated Birth Year:abt 1869Year of Registration:1872Quarter of Registration:Apr-May-JunAge at Death:3District:WiganCounty:Greater Manchester, LancashireVolume:8cPage:70
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    so did john



    Name:John SmallEstimated Birth Year:abt 1862Year of Registration:1872Quarter of Registration:Apr-May-JunAge at Death:10District:WiganCounty:Greater Manchester, LancashireVolume:8cPage:71



    and thomas



    Name:Thomas SmallEstimated Birth Year:abt 1860Year of Registration:1880Quarter of Registration:Oct-Nov-DecAge at Death:20District:WiganCounty:Greater Manchester, LancashireVolume:8cPage:91
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    there is a james death too before the 1871 census another child??



    Name:James SmallEstimated Birth Year:abt 1864Year of Registration:1868Quarter of Registration:Jul-Aug-SepAge at Death:4District:WiganCounty:Greater Manchester, LancashireVolume:8cPage:98



    going back to the 1861 census



    Name:John SmallAge:26 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1835Relation:Head Spouse's Name:CatharineGender:MaleWhere born:IrelandCivil Parish:Ashton in Makerfield St Thomas County/Island:Lancashire Country:England Street address: school lane



    Registration district:Wigan Sub registration district:Ashton in Mackerfield ED, institution, or vessel:7 Household Members:NameAgeJohn Small26 (ag lab) Catharine Small24 Joseph Small4 Hanora Small2 Thomas Small10 Mo Michael Henny26 (lodger born ireland) Alice Henny28 (lodger born ireland)





    Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2786; Folio: 123; Page: 9; GSU roll: 543029.



    hanora small is hannah i think



    Name:Hannah SmallYear of Registration:1858 Quarter of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep District:Wigan County:Greater Manchester, Lancashire Volume:8c Page:88
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    Default Re: Please need help for 1871 Census "SMALL"

    there is a michael small too



    Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1866

    NameSMALLMichael AshtonWigan & Leigh



    he is the only other "small" born in the registration district apart from all the rest of the family mentioned above so i suspect he is another child

    too.



    and yet another death i am afraid



    Name:Michael SmallEstimated Birth Year:abt 1867Year of Registration:1867Quarter of Registration:Jan-Feb-MarAge at Death:0District:WiganCounty:Greater Manchester, LancashireVolume:8cPage:112
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    Gosh

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    Gosh I do appreciate all the work that you have done.



    I will sift through my mountain of paperwork and see if any pieces fit together.



    As a side note how would I go about obtaining a 1853 Westmeath (Ireland) birth cerificate?) Should I seek Civil church or parishes?



    Again your expert help is so appreciated.



    Sue



    (no snow falling but raining today in Canada)

 

 

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