Thread: James Esherwood, born c1869

I have a James Esherwood, age 42 in 1911 census - born london, occ Barrack labourer, married 16 years, 4 live children. language English, religion R Catholic.



on same census:

wife: Kathleen - age 38? born Co. Wicklow.

daughter: Mary Anne - age 8 scholar - born dublin. (can read and write)

son: bartholomew james - age 5 - scholar - born dublin (cannot read and write)

son: joseph - age 3 - born dublin (cannot read and write)

Daughter: Kathleen Frances - age 8 months - born dublin (cannot read and write).



they were living in dublin, this is from 1911 Irish census: Residents of house number 52 in Royal Barracks (Arran Quay, Dublin)



James Esherwood was from London - english, but i cant find any trace of him in uk census or birth etc... any ideas?



i am told that Kathleen's maiden name is WHISTON

the daughter Mary anne died in birmingham, uk in 1977 - she had married William Byrne c1924. they came to uk (birmingham - with the army?) in 1927?



the only proof i have been able to find so far is the 1911 census and a record of the 3/6 childs birth: Byrne/Esherwood :

Births Jun 1930

Byrne William J (Esherwood) Birmingham S. 6d180



stuck now and would like to find out anything else about them that i can please.

have found some esherwoods listed as Isherwood, still cant find James c1869.



there are only 2 james Isherwoods in 1901 & 1891 census. cant find any links between them and my james.







james 1)



births dec 1869

Isherwood, James Albert - bromley 2a, 222



1901 living deptford with adoptive parents HOUGHTON family:

ISHERWOOD, James A, Adopted Son, Single,M,31 ,1870

Sanitary Hardware Agent ,Maida Vale London





same james in 1891, has a brother henry:

ISHERWOOD, James AAdopted SonSingleM21 1870Ironmongers Assistant

Bromley Kent



ISHERWOOD, Henry SAdopted SonSingleM16 1875Shipbrokers Clerk

Bromley Kent



in 1881 - with houghtons - in camberwell:

Isherwood, james A , Boarder, single, M 11, 1870, Scholar, bromley Kent

Isherwood, Harry S Boarder, single, M 6, 1875, Scholar, bromley Kent





in 1871 with parents:



james isherwood, head, m , 29, 1842 middlesex.

sarah a, wife, f, 22, 1849 hampshire

annie f, daughter, f, 3, 1868, middlesex

james a , son, m, 1, 1870, kent

servant: Caroline Saker

servant: Alice Burr



living Bromley.





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james 2)

1901 living with mother elizabeth (widow) and sister elizabeth in Islington:

ISHERWOOD, James,Son.Single.M,30 ,1871,Potatoe Warehouse Porter

Whitehall,London



in 1891 - still islington, with mother elizabeth (widow) and siblings Fred, elizabeth, Robert.



ISHERWOOD, JamesSonSingleM20 1871Warehouse Porter

St Martin in the Fields

London



in 1911 - with brother fred and family in wood green.

ISHERWOOD, JAMESBROTHERSINGLEM40PRINTERS LABOURERMIDDLESEX ST MARTINS IN THE FIELD

so this cant be him as my one is in ireland in 1911.

INfact just realised my james had been married 16 years in 1911 Irish census.. he must have married 1895. cant find any james in uk census that match him prior to 1895. he would have been 26 when he married but did not have first child until he was 34 - does this sound right?



is irish 1901 census online?

If James was 42 in 1911, then he would have been born around 1869.



Ancestry has army service records for



James Esherwood14 abt 1868 Westminster Middlesex 1882

The records show James was attested 7 Nov 1882. He says he is a sailor, born Westminster.



Gives next of kin as brother John Bennett

wife Sarah Schmidt

wife 2nd (!!) Kathleen Esherwood



so it doesn't fit with your chap

OOOH



but it does say he was discharged in









Dublin! and I've just realised his 1911 wife is Kathleen!

At some point he fractured his right leg.



He had a dark complexion and dark brown eyes and hair.



Have you got access to Ancestry as you can see the images (8 pages) and maybe be better at deciphering the writing. Some of the pages are a bit ragged so hard to see.

He was re-engaged on 3rd Oct 1894 at Berwick upon Tweed for the Royal Dublin Fusilliers for 21 years. Originally 1882 he was with the Kings Own Borderers.



He was 4ft 2 when he was 14, so I expect he grew a bit more.



Sadly I can't see a home address. The address where he was attested looks like "Fermoy".

If James was a sailor to start with, and then in the army, that might explain why you haven't been able to find him earlier.



Maybe his father was also a sailor/in the army, and James might have been born abroad.



He may have said he was born in London as he may not have known where he was born.

oh my, thank you all so much. I have just finished a night shift and come home to that pleasant news.



thanks again

lisa