Thread: Did he ever return to england

Would it be possible for someone to look up the particulars of my grandfather laeaving the Uk, i know the depature date was 4 july 1914, i would like to know if he ever returned to england.i know my nan went back in 1919, but it seems she went with jsut their son. I have no clue as to where or when he died, his wife was grace whalley, their son, my father was harry chadderton.any info would be great. cheers bren

Hi Bren,



Could you post your Grandfather's name please. D

ummm yep bet that would help ..........his name was james slater chadderton, im not sure if he used the slater.........he was born 1891, in bolton (i believe it was in farnworth ) his wifes name was grace whalley apparently they were still married as of 1927, as my grandmother returned to england as grace chadderton.his parents were john and ellen nee slater.last known adress was here in montreal, 192 d'aragon st.thank you so much

Hi Bren



I have found a J S Chadderton abt 1892 leaving Liverpool on 27 Jun 1913 travelling to Quebec on the Empress of Britain. His occupation was given as a spinner.





There is an entry for Grace Chadderton abt 1894 travelling with Harry Chadderton abt 1918 on the 17 June 1927 to Quebec on the Albertic. Her occupation is that of Weaver.



Couldn't see any other entries that tied in with his year of birth





I have found an entry on Ancestry for UK incoming passengers 1920



James Chadderton

Birth Date: abt 1891

Age: 29

Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada

Arrival Date: 6 Nov 1920

Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England

Ship Name: Canada

Shipping Line: White Star Line

Official Number: 106806



his occupation was shipbuilding.



But not sure if it is him..

sounds like a good possibility,everything matches expect for the occupation, we have a free diectory search here in montreal, and the last entry for james was in 1919 , which would coincide with the james chadderton ( he was listed in directory as chadderton , no slater ) seeing as my nan left in 1919 it went make some sense, however the ship builder throws me,when my nan left she stated at immigration that the father of her child, was james chadderton of 1859 jaques hertel, montreal, but a search of lovell does not list him, actually the address does not even show................i am guessing that he never left canada, but may have went to another province after my grandmother and father left.i wonder if james and grace divorced? my nan ended up using the surname ponting as did my father,when she met and lived with mr william arthur ponting in 1930,( hence me being a ponting) all my fathers army, marriages and medical records are in the ponting surname, but i have never been able to trace when the change occur, other than it was after they returned to canada in 1927 and before my father enlisted in 1939, ,,,,,,,,,,,would this have to be a legal name change in those days? i cannot see how a person can enlist, and marry twice, under another name, that to what is on his birth records?????????? such complicated mysteries are ancestors left us !

Hi Bren



I don't think there were any legal requirements to use a name...

.. but maybe someone else might be able to clarify this for you..

Hi raven, thank you for the info you sent, the departure of james matches my info, he arrived here 4 july 1913, not departed and the info for grace chadderton is spot on..................i am going to try to find more info on the james chadderton that left canda in 1920, got a good feeling about it.....who knows maybe he lied about his occupation and i will try researching for grace whalley's departure in 1912, can figure out who she was destined to, her family never left lancashire lol. and she was so young to be all alone : ( thank you again, let me know if you ever need a name or address look up, here in montreal. our directory site is awesome, covers as far back as mid 1800's ! I also have a memebership for our national archives here in quebec where i can research quebec births marriages and deaths.

HI Bren



found Grace Whalley aged 18 a spinner, leaving Liverpool on the 17 May 1912 with the following people



BR Whalley abt 1908

David Whalley abt 1886 a labourer

Grace Whalley abt 1882 wife

Thos Whalley abt 1883 a labourer



they were on their way to Montreal. They were aboard the Tunisian.

hmmmmmmmmm interesting as i was told she left alone??????? gonna have to try to find out who these people are...........whats the BR for the 19o8,,,,,,,,, perhaps these are aunts and ucles of my grandmother...........they i didnt find on OPC now you got me curious as a cat !...........when you say she was travelling with them do you mean they were all together, or they happened to have the same surname travelling on the ssame ship?

Sorry Bren it says "the following people with the same name travelled on this voyage"...o