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    Hi again.

    This is going to sound really confusing, actually it's confusing me right now! I'm not really sure how to word this.

    Um.......right, here goes.

    I'm trying to find a bloke called John Venner. Apparently he was married to my great granny, Ellen Summers before she met and married my great gramps, Henry Hawkins.

    Now, this is where it gets confusing. I googled his name and it came up with a John Venner who lived at Pinkworthy Farm near Washfield in Devon. I told my Mum this and I thought she was going to faint, because there is also a Pinkworthy Farm in Oakford Devon, where my Mum used to stay and play with relatives, near where my great granny Ellen lived. Ellen was born at and lived on Upcott Farm in Oakford.

    I haven't bored you yet, have I?

    I did a bit of research and John and Ellen were married, I think in 1913. Now it can't have been for very long, because my Grandad came along in 1914/15, so she was married to Henry Hawkins by then.

    Anyway, I've also found out that there was the Voysey family involved in some way. That's interesting because the Voysey's are on my Dad's side of the family.

    Iam absolutley tearing my hair out with this. I haven't hit a brick wall, what I've literally smashed into is a confusing muddle.

    If anyone can help sort this out, It would be so brilliant.

    Sorry about the essay and as always many, many thanks.



    Sally

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    Default Re: This is confusing!

    this is the harry hawkins marriage



    Henry HawkinsYear of Registration:1913 Quarter of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's Surname:Summers District:Tiverton CountyDevon, Somerset Volume:5b Page:895
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    Default Re: This is confusing!

    note she married in the name summers not venner



    there is this marriage with john venner on same page



    Ellen SummersYear of Registration:1908 Quarter of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec District:Tiverton County Devon, Somerset Volume:5b Page:947
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    ther is this death of john venner in tiverton



    John VennerEstimated Birth Year:abt 1872 Year of Registration:1909 Quarter of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death:37 District:TivertonCounty Devon, SomersetVolume:5bPage:231



    which would fit in with her then remarrying after his death
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    Default Re: This is confusing!

    this is john venner at home with mum - a widow born culhampton in 1901



    John VennerAge:29 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1872 Relation:Head Mother's Name:Maria Gender:MaleWhere born:Tiverton, Devon, EnglandCivil Parish:Washfield Ecclesiastical parish:Washfield St Mary County/IslandDevon Country:England



    he was an agricultural labourer. on same census page is albert vosey a miller and corn merchant employing hands. perhaps john worked for him.
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    Default Re: This is confusing!

    Welshlady, thanks so much, this is great. It answers a few questions. Ta!



    Sally

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    Default Re: This is confusing!

    here he is in 1891

    Name:John Venner

    Age:19 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1872 Relation:Nephew Gender:MaleWhere born:Tiverton, Devon, EnglandCivil Parish:Washfield Ecclesiastical parish:Washfield County/Islandevon Country:England Street address:



    Occupation: agricultural labourer



    Condition as to marriage: single



    Registration district:Tiverton Sub registration district:Washfield Household Members:NameAgeJohn Venner46 John Venner19 Maria Venner63



    Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1767; Folio 4; Page 1; GSU roll: 6096877



    maria is down as wife of john 46 and john 19 as nephew





    1881



    maria is again wife and john nephew.



    John VennerAge:9 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1872 Relation:Nephew Gender:MaleWhere born:Tiverton, Devon, EnglandCivil Parish:Washfield County/IslandDevon Country:England Street address:ClandEducation:



    Occupation:ScholarRegistration district:Tiverton Sub registration district:Washfield Household Members:NameAge Richard Gooding (lodger)37 John Venner37 John Venner9 Maria Venner52



    in 1871

    john amd maria are again in tiverton together as man and wife
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    Default Re: This is confusing!

    Ellen SummersYear of Registration:1870 Quarter of Registration:Apr-May-Jun District:Tiverton Countyevon, Somerset Volume:5b Page:450Ellen summers birth if you dont have it
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    Default Re: This is confusing!

    Welshlady, thanks for the info on John Venner. I already knew about Ellen's birth, but thank you for finding it.



    Sally

 

 

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