Thread: Butterfields of Oakworth and Keighley, West Yorks

Hi,



I wonder if anyone can give some advice as to how to match a daughter with her correct parents?



The daughter's name is Sarah Ann Butterfield. She was born in 1861, and the family story was that she was born in either Keighley or Haworth, depending on which aunt/uncle I asked. I have recently inherited her prayer book, which has an inscription inside, in her handwriting 'SarahAnn Butterfield, Christchurch Sunday School, Oakworth, September 14th 1873' (Oakworth being a village roughly between the Haworth and Keighley, which fits the story). Sarah Ann never married , her only child (my ancestor) being illegitimate, so there is no marriage certificate to find that would give the name of Sarah Ann's father (and indeed not much idea who the name of the father of her illegitimate child was either, though the surname might have been Thornber).



(The prayer book was left by a great aunt, who was the youngest daughter of Sarah Ann's daughter, and who undoubtedly knew all the story, including who was who, having been told this by Sarah Ann's daughter - her mother - who wanted there to be one family member who had all the information. To our intense frustration she absolutely refused to discuss it with any other family member, including her siblings, (believe me, they tried!) and died without sharing anything, only the tantalising tip that had her grandmother married their surname would have been Thornber!. The only other thing we know is that the aunt used to visit a family member living round there, who was a painter and decorator).



I am trying to track down her family, especially as to who was Sarah Ann's father. The problem I have is that there were two Sarah Ann Butterfield's born in Oakworth in 1861 ish, and they were cousins (so whichever one she is, at least the grandparents are the same!)



The first Sarah Ann was born in 1861 at Harehills (an area of Oakworth), the daughter of Joseph Butterfield and his wife Sarah, nee Bancroft. They didn't have any other surviving children, just Sarah Ann. Joseph was the landlord of the Grouse Inn at Oakworth. When he died in 1880 his widow moved away, and went to live with her brother, Stephen Bancroft, in Todmorden, until her own death in 1896, when she was buried back in Oakworth with her husband.



The other Sarah Ann was also born in 1861, at Ponden Mill (next to Oakworth), though a few months after the first Sarah Ann. Her parents were Joseph's brother, Thomas, and Ann, (and I am still trying to find their marriage). They had three children, Sarah Ann in 1861, John in 1865 and Joseph in 1869.



Both Sarah Ann's are at home in 1871, ditto in 1881 - and both are gone in 1891, mine turning up with her illegitimate child near Sowerby Bridge. For this reason - location - I have tended to believe that she was the daughter of Joseph and Sarah, as Todmorden - where widow Sarah was - is only a few miles up the valley from where Sarah Ann was living - but am not sure that this is really good enough evidence to take seriously in genealogical terms.



Can anyone suggest how I could track down which is the correct set of parents for 'my' Sarah Ann?



Thanks.

Hi Somerset 3



We noticed you weren't getting much response, so hit the keys to see if we could make inroads into your dilemma.

No doubt you can fill in the gaps.



Marriages Jun 1852

Butterfield Thomas Keighley 9a 206

Moore Ann Keighley 9a 206



1851 Census for Coney Garths, Haworth HO 107 / 2287 page 14 has Ann dau of John and Sally Moore, and numerous other Moores.



1861 Census for Ponden Mill, Keighley, RG 9 / 3223 page 9 has Thomas and Ann with no children. Also more Moores!! They have been marr for 8 years or so before Sarah Ann's birth. This seems a longish time, though there may be others staying elsewhere.



Sarah Ann is at home for the 1881 census at Hill Top RG 11 / 4346 page 11 b Ponden Mill.



Births Sep 1881

Butterfield Esther Alice Halifax 9a 477

1891 at Soyland, Nether Royd RG 12 / 3598 page 51 Sarah Ann Butterfield aged 37 b Keighley housekeeper to John Smith.

Given as her dau aged 9 is Esther above.



1901 at Norland Hall RG 13 / 4133 page 2 Sarah Ann Butterfield aged 42 b Keighley is a housekeeper to John Smith aged 54 .

Given as her son aged 3 is the following.

Births Mar 1898

BUTTERFIELD George Henry Halifax 9a 455



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This is the dau of Joseph and Sarah Butterfield who states in 1881 census that she was b in Hunslet.

Marriages Dec 1881

Addey George Hunslet 9b 446

BUTTERFIELD Sarah Ann Hunslet 9b 446

1891 George Addey wife Sarah A abt 1858 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Head Hunslet, Yorkshire

1901 Sarah Ann Addey wife of George b abt 1861 Hunslet, Yorkshire, England Wife Hunslet, Yorkshire



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Regarding Thombers, just enter the surname in 1881 to find a family near Sowerby Bridge.



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These are our findings, which we believe shows that the dau of Thomas and Ann is your Sarah Ann.

If you agree, we feel it would be helpful to purchase the b certs for Esther and George, though we suspect John Smith may be in the frame for George.

Let us know what you think.



Best wishes



Wendy and Mark

Hi Somerset 3 Part 2 16 10 2008



Had another look this morning and have discovered these of the Moore family, but they need checking.



1851 Census which we sent last night was our starting point.



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MARY SHACKLETON

Event(s):

Birth: 02 JAN 1779



Christening: 03 FEB 1779 Keighley, Yorkshire, England



Parents:

Father: ROGER SHACKLETON

Mother: ANNE BOTTOMLEY



Source Information:

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C010684 1775 - 1780 0919144 Film 6901264 Film

C010684 1798 - 1812 0919144 Film 6901264 Film Sheet: 00





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JONAS MOORE

Event(s):



Marriages:

Spouse: MARY SHACKLETON

Marriage: 23 APR 1801 Haworth, Yorkshire, England



Source Information:

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M018513 1726 - 1812 0990541 Film 6909900 Film Sheet: 00





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Husband

JONAS MOORE

Birth: 1775 Of Smooker, Haworth, Yorkshire, England

Burial: 27 AUG 1844 Haworth, Yorkshire, England



Wife

Mrs. MARY MOORE

Birth: About 1781 Of Smooker, Haworth, Yorkshire, England



Children

1. JOHN MOORE

Birth: 16 APR 1803 Smooker, Haworth, Yorkshire, England

Christening: 25 APR 1803 Haworth, Yorkshire, England

Death:

Burial: 29 APR 1803



2. JOHN MOORE

Birth: 10 JUN 1804

Christening: 06 SEP 1804 Haworth, Yorkshire, England

Death:

Burial:



3. MARY MOORE

Birth: 02 JAN 1807

Christening: 25 APR 1807 Haworth, Yorkshire, England

Death:

Burial:



4. ANN MOORE

Birth: 07 DEC 1808

Christening: 21 JUN 1809 Haworth, Yorkshire, England

Death:

Burial: 11 MAR 1831



5. SUSAN MOORE

Birth: SEP 1811 Haworth, Yorkshire, England

Christening:

Death:

Burial: 20 NOV 1811



6. SALLY MOORE

Birth: 28 SEP 1812

Christening: 12 DEC 1812 Haworth, Yorkshire, England



Source Information: Film Number: 457411



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JOSEPH MOORE

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening: 16 JUN 1815 Haworth, Yorkshire, England



Parents:

Father: JONAS MOORE

Mother: MARY



Source Information:

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C018512 1813 - 1847 0990541, 0990542 Film 6909899 Film Sheet: 00



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JOHN MOORE

Event(s):



Spouse: SALLY CLAYTON

Marriage: 08 JAN 1827 Haworth, Yorkshire, England



Source Information:

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M018512 1813 - 1837 0990541 Film 6909900 Film Sheet: 00





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SALLY CLAYTON

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening: 27 MAY 1806 Haworth, Yorkshire, England



Parents:

Father: JOSEPH CLAYTON



Source Information:

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C018513 1726 - 1812 0990541 Film 6909899 Film Sheet: 00





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MARY MOORE

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening: 23 JUL 1827 Haworth, Yorkshire, England



Parents:

Father: JOHN MOORE

Mother: SALLY



Source Information:

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C018512 1813 - 1847 0990541, 0990542 Film 6909899 Film Sheet: 00



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Joseph Moore

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening: 21 APR 1829 Haworth, Yorkshire, England



Parents:

Father: John Moore

Mother: Sally



Source Information:

Film Number: 447981 Page Number: 0151 Reference number: 73421





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Ann Moore

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening: 25 JUL 1831 Haworth, Yorkshire, England

Parents:

Father: John Moore

Mother: Sally



Source Information:

Film Number: 447980 Page Number: 0152 Reference number: 7313.



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ANN MOORE

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening: 26 JUL 1831 Haworth, Yorkshire, England



Parents:

Father: JOHN MOORE

Mother: SALLY



Source Information

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C018512 1813 - 1847 0990541, 0990542 Film 6909899 Film Sheet: 00





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HANNAH MOORE

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening: 25 JUL 1842 Haworth, Yorkshire, England



Parents:

Father: JOHN MOORE

Mother: SALLY



Source Information:

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C018512 1813 - 1847 0990541, 0990542 Film 6909899 Film Sheet: 00





This should give you something to go at.

Best wishes



Wendy and Mark

Hi Wendy and Mark,



Wow! What a tremendous amount of work - I don't know how to begin to thank you - you've done an amazing job. I can't believe how much you have achieved. Its amazing. However did you manage to download all that info - did you type it all out yourself - thank you so much. I had had a pretty rough day at work and I can't begin to tell you the lift that coming home and finding this information has given me. I will have a wonderful evening processing it all. Thanks.



I thought you might like to have a little more of the story. You have rightly identified the Norland connection, and I too wondered about the 'housekeeper' bit to John Smith, and wondered if it was a euphamism for something else but the family assured me categorically that she was just that - the housekeeper. Little George was my grandfather, and his paternal grandparents were also living at Norland Hall. His parents were very young, and wanted to marry when he was on the way, but were refused as being too young. They said that if they weren't given permission to marry they would 'do it again'. Permission was refused - they did it again - and can be found just down the road in the census with the result of having 'done it again' - at the time of the census they had just married, and were living in Hollins Well with their second son, William. There was never any doubt about who the father was of George. George never did move back with his parents - though they begged him to many times. His grandmother Sarah Ann absolutely idolised and ruined him - he lived in the lap of luxury, cossetted and petted, having music lessons with the vicar - whilst his (ultimately many) siblings lived in the small cottage just down the road.



I am really intrigued as to how you worked out that the Sarah Ann who married Mr Addey was the right one (ie what have I missed here?).



Thanks again so much, Dee

Hi Wendy and Mark - just twigged what I have missed! Its that Hunslet birthplace! I will go through this again tonight, but I reckon you have cracked it.



By the way, as you've probably realised from my earlier response, little George should really have been listed as Sarah Ann's grandson.



Norland Hall itself was sold in the 1920s, to a millionaire, who bought it lock stock and barrel, had it dismantled and shipped to the US. As it arrived, he died, and the story was it was left in boxes waiting to be re-erected. It was a long time before I found out that the millionaire who bought it was Randolph Hearst, the newspaper magnate. The stones were ultimately incorporated in a church over there. There is still a Norland Hall in Norland (in fact several!) but none are the original. The family moved into a farmhouse nearby, but that has now also been demolished, as has the cottage at Hollins Well.



Thanks again, Dee

Hi there Dee



Where in Somerset.... I was born in Chew Stoke.



No worries, it was a pleasure.



We've been doing this for nearly 30 years... belong to Ancestry so have constant access, are retired so have the time, love the challenge, and generally trust our hunches. Knowing where to look comes with time, though we, too, have brick walls in the way of our research. Ireland and Sweden spring to mind!!



Much was copied and pasted, though we put the stuff into a Word doc to collate it and move stuff round to get it into some semblance of order, so that strangers to our methods can make some sense of it!!



You'll note that we haven't touched on the Butterfields.



If you would like further help don't hesitate to ask and, indeed, if what we have already sent you needs deciphering.



Best wishes



Wendy and Mark

Hi Wendy and Mark



I'm at the other end of the county, on the Devon border (great for getting to both the Somerset and Devon record offices).



You have inspired me to get my skates on with this branch. I have ordered what I hope are the relevant marriage certificates to follow this up - if you are interested then I'll let you know what happens.



I know what you mean about Ireland - I have two branches from there. One is a Palatine one, so there is more evidence about that, but the registers of the other went up in smoke in 1922. Sad really.



If you would like to have a 'dig' about the Butterfields, feel free - frankly I have rather run up into a brick wall, and it is so helpful to bounce info off someone else. The family story is that they were related to Isaac Butterfield of Cliffe Castle, in Keighley - and certainly his ancestors came from Oakworth, the same tiny village that my family came from.



Sarah Ann's father - Thomas -or Joseph! - well both of them - were the sons of John Butterfield and his wife Martha. They lived at a farmhouse on the edge of the moor, called Two Laws (I won't say its isolated, but almost the opposite moorland across the valley is the one use as the model for Wuthering Heights!). (They are there from the 1841 census on, until just before they died when they moved back down into the village). I am pretty sure that John was the one baptised at Haworth 4 Feb 1793, the son of Thomas and Elizabeth/Betty - but again I am not sure which of two Bettys she was - Betty Sunderland or Betty Tindell. John died in 1872, aged 79, and is buried in Oakworth. John had at least 12 children with Martha, who was Martha Sharp when he married her at Keighley in 1816. She died in 1878 and is also buried at Oakworth. After that it is very hazy. I am desperate to track down Thomas's baptism, and his parents, so any advice you could give would be most helpful.



Is there any way we can make these messages private? I can see that there is a private message' facility at the top - just don't know how to do it. I'll have a go, so don't be surprised if there is another message from me! Thanks again - and if there is anything you need from the R Os down here, just let me know. Dee.

Looking for help on parents of Mary Butterworth abt 1823 of Bingley who married Peter Duxbury of Bingley.



Also did she have any connection to John Butterfield and his wife Rebecca of Fearncliffe, Bingley, and I note that John left an inheritance to his grandaughter Rebecca Duxbury and wondered if this Rebecca is the same one as the daughter of Peter/Mary as she was born abt 1838