Thread: Clark

I am re-visiting part of my family tree I am not 100% sure of and need a professional second opinion.





I have never been absolutely certain that I have the correct mother and father for William Clark my GGrandfather who was born at Cockpen, Midlothian Scotland on the 8th of March 1832. The reason I've never been really sure is I was never able to pinpoint him with his mother, father and siblings on a cencus together, plus I found a death certificate for both his mother and father (I think) which showed his Father dying at a place called Gorgie Cottages in Edinburgh miles away from where his wife died at Borthwick. He was a Farmer near Borthwick, why did he die in Edinburgh?



I have most BMDs for the people concerned which I can supply if you would like to have a look. Better still if you would like to look at my family tree on Ancestry or Tribalpages I would be happy to let you have access to have a peek at what I've got.





Here is an extract of the part of my tree I'm concerned about,



Thanks,



John Clark (The Silverfox)





Descendants of :



William Clark

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Generation 1



1. William Clark was born 1801 in Newbattle and died 1875 in Gorgie Cottages Edinburgh. He married Jean Ainslie 1831 in Carrington or Primrose (Gorebridge). She was born 1803 and died 1868.



Children of William Clark and Jean Ainslie:

i. 2. William Clark was born 1832 in Cockpen (Dalhousie) and died 1915 in Newmills in the Parish of Torryburn

ii. Catherine Clark was born 1834 in Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland

iii. Richard Clark was born 1836 in Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland

iv. Andrew Clark was born 1838 in Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland

v. David Clark was born 1841 in Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland





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Generation 2



2. William Clark was born 1832 in Cockpen (Dalhousie) and died 1915 in Newmills in the Parish of Torryburn. He married Margaret Amos 1862 in Gorebridge in the parish of Temple. She was born 1835 in Borthwick, Parish of Temple, Midlothian and died 1913 in Croft Street Dalkeith, daughter of John Amos and Margaret Campbell.

Other events in the life of William Clark

Baptism: 1832

Occupation: 1913 in Dalkeith





Children of William Clark and Margaret Amos:

i. Jane Clark was born 1863

ii. Elizabeth Clark was born 1869

iii. 3. John Clark was born 1873 in Cockpen and died 1954 in Penicuik





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Generation 3



3. John Clark was born 1873 in Cockpen and died 1954 in Penicuik. He married Jane Elizabeth Baird 1900 in Masonic Hall, Dalkeith. She was born 1879 in Stockton on Tees and died in Penicuik, daughter of Robert Baird and Catherine McFarlane.

Other events in the life of John Clark

Residence:

Occupation: 1900 in Newington, Edinburgh

Cremation: 1954

HI John,



On the IGI it states that William Clark b 8 March 1832 was christened on the25 March 1832 and gives his parents as William Clark and Jean Ainslie.



This is an extracted record..



found this on the 1851 Census..



William Clark

Age: 49

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802

Relationship: Head

Spouse's Name: Jane

Gender: Male

Where born: Newbattle, Midlothian

Parish Number: 676

Civil Parish: Cockpen

Town: Deaflawhill

County: Midlothian

Address: Deaflawhill

Occupation: Ag Lab

ED: 3

Page: 24 (click to see others on page)

Household schedule number: 100

Line: 1

Roll: CSSCT1851_175

Household Members:

Name Age

Andrew Clark 12

David Clark 10

Jane Clark 48

Richard Clark 15

William Clark 49



This could be William Clark (1832) on the 1851 Census



William Clark

Age: 19

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832

Relationship: Servant

Gender: Male

Where born: Cockpen, Midlothian

Parish Number: 674

Civil Parish: Borthwick

Town: Middleton

County: Midlothian

Address: 5 Middleton

Occupation: Farm Servant

ED: 4

Page: 11 (click to see others on page)

Household schedule number: 37

Line: 10

Roll: CSSCT1851_175

Household Members:

Name Age

Adam Alexander 46

Alexander Baillie 28

Elizabeth Baillie 25

John Baillie 37

Margaret Baillie 69

Margaret Baillie 30

William Clark 19

George Mutter 25

Robert Mutter 21

and this on the 1861 Census..



William Clark

Age: 59

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802

Relationship: Head

Spouse's name : Jane

Gender: Male

Where born: Newbattle, Edinburgh

Registration Number: 674

Registration district: Borthwick

Civil Parish: Borthwick

County: Midlothian

Address: Harvieston Tall

Occupation: Labourer

ED: 3

Household schedule number: 1

Line: 1

Roll: CSSCT1861_122

Household Members:

Name Age

Janet Brunton 14

David Clark 20

Jane Clark 58

Richard Clark 7

William Clark 59

William Clark 29 this your ggrandfather??



and Jean can also be Jane...

Hi Anne,



OK, we seem to be along the same lines as I have the same information as you with the cencus at Harvieston Tall. However one of the problems I had from memory was the occupants and ages on the cencus between years.



For instance, what happened to Andrew Clark between 1851 and 1861 and why is Richard Clark shown as 15 on the 1851 cencus and 7 on the 1861. This is what confused me and gave me doubts about whether I had the right Clark family or not and the correct Father and mother for William.



I subsequently traced who I thought was his father to dying at Gorgie Cottages in Edinburgh, but with this little bit of confusion at Harvieston Tall (which is actually Toll, as its about 5 miles from where I'm sitting and I pass it every day in the car) I started to have real doubts about the credability of this part of my family tree.



Did I have the right Father* for William, how could I find out who HIS* father was with all this doubt?



John

John..



Have had a look at the 1861 Census on SP.. the Richard age 7 is the grandson of William and Jean(Jane). That makes up for the discrepancies in the ages...

Richard Clark b 1836...



found a marriage on SP for him..



Richard Clark. father William Clark Labourer, mother Jane Ainslie

residence Arbroath

Marion Ladlaw. father Thomspon Ladlaw mother Elizabeth Rattray?

residence Dundee.

Marriage took place Dundee 1 January 1858



Here they are on the 1861 Census:



Richard Clark

Age: 25

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836

Relationship: Head

Spouse's name : Marion

Gender: Male

Where born: Edinburgh

Registration Number: 168A

Registration district: St Nicholas

Civil Parish: St Nicholas

County: Aberdeenshire

Address: Bothwells Court

Occupation: Moulder

ED: 29

Household schedule number: 44

Line: 12

Roll: CSSCT1861_24

Household Members:

Name Age

Marion Clark 27

Richard Clark 25

Could this be Andrew, giving the fact that I found what appears to be Richard in Aberdeen..



Andrew Clark

Age: 24

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837

Relationship: Lodger

Gender: Male

Where born: Edinburgh

Registration Number: 168A

Registration district: St Nicholas

Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Nicholas

County: Aberdeenshire

Address: 5 Hanover St

Occupation: Candlenakey

ED: 50

Household schedule number: 52

Line: 4

Roll: CSSCT1861_25

Household Members:

Name Age

Elizabeth Arnot 42

William Arnot 67

Andrew Clark 24

Andrew Connon 19

Hi Anne,



Been busy I see. No wonder I was unsure about this particular Clark Family with a son called Richard on one cencus and a grandson called Richard on another. Well done RAVEN }



As for Andrew, it's a shrewd guess but Andrew was 12 on the 1851 Cencus giving him a birth year of approx 1839.



I suppose it could be a year either way giving it to be 1838?



Andrew Clark

Age: 24

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837

Relationship: Lodger

Gender: Male

Where born: Edinburgh

Registration Number: 168A

Registration district: St Nicholas

Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Nicholas

County: Aberdeenshire

Address: 5 Hanover St

Occupation: Candlenakey

ED: 50

Household schedule number: 52

Line: 4

Roll: CSSCT1861_25

Household Members:

Name Age

Elizabeth Arnot 42

William Arnot 67

Andrew Clark 24

Andrew Connon 19



I see you've been using your credits on SP (Money to burn lady)



I'll make it up to you somehow.



Right, now that we have established that we now have the correct parents for William (William2 and Jean/Jane, I had a lot of fun with her by the way, not making up her mind what to call herself)



Can you see if you can coroborate my findings on who William2's father was. Try to ignore if you can what is on my family tree and start with a blank sheet, because if you think the Clark family was at Harvieston Toll was bad...........................



JHN :-D



PS. The DVD of the Menin Gate arrived today, going to watch it now. If I can extract a clip from it using my techno wizzardry showing William on it I will and arrange send it to you!

I have checked Willam Clark 1801 for a death. Only death that comes up on SP is William Clark age 74 died 22 May 1875 in Gorgie Cott Edinburgh.

Father William Clark

Mother Catherine Begbie ( you have his mother as Helen Begbie?)

Widower of Jane Ainslie.



right so far??

Spot on Anne, Thats what I found. The reason for Helen was I couldn't find a William Clark with a Catherine Begbie BMD anywhere. So I made the assumption (said he grasping at straws) that it was either she was Catherine, Helen or vice-versa, She was known as Catherine at the time of William's death and Helen when she married to his father OR Williams parents were born outside Scotland. At this point it all went a little pear-shaped and I gave up and my search for my ancestors came to an abrupt end :-( At this poit I went off chasing Aitkens and of course the Carrs



John