Thread: James Victory.

Thank you for taking the time to read this request.



Could you please help me find James Victory b.(at a guess) 1787 Ireland. Wife unknown, son is James Joseph Victory b.1812. Ireland (he married twice).



James Joseph b.1812 - 1st. wife was Margaret Fitzgerald b Ireland 1806 - d. Middlesex England 1847. married in Shoreditch London.



No help needed on 2nd wife Caroline Prebble b july 1820.



I believe James and his son James Joseph were born in Dublin, but feel there was also a connection with a place called Langford somewhere in Longford.. James Joseph settled in the Westminster area of London. I dont know what happened to the Father James, he may have been in West Ham. Their occupation's were Boot Closer's.



Any information you could help me would be wonderful.

I would specially like to know:



Place of birth for James & his son james Joseph Victory.

James wife's/James Joseph Mothers maiden name & place of birth

Any other family members or siblings of Father and son.

when the family came to England.

or any sites you feel would help me find this information.



A very tall order to ask of you, but any thing you can find (no matter how small) would be a great help for me.



Thank you in advance.



Kind Regards



Tralena

email address: tralena@hotmail.co.uk.

is this james senior in west ham in 1851



James VictoryAge:58 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1793Relation:Head Gender:MaleWhere bornublin, IrelandCivil Parish:St Martin in The Fields County/Island:Middlesex Country:England Street address:



Occupation:



Condition as to marriage:



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Registration district:St Martin In The Fields Sub-registration district:Charing Cross ED, institution, or vessel:2f Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:126Household Members:NameAgeJames Victory58 John N Victory8 William Victory25 william and john are james son.

occupation of james is boot closer

John n was born in london so they must have come to england by 1843 ish. william was born ireland so that cuts time of immigration down

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1481;Folio: 174; Page: 31; GSU roll: 87806.

Thank you for your help.



I've taken a look at the 1851 Census, its a very strong possibility this could be the James Victory I'm looking for due to his occupation as a Boot Closer.



Unfortunately, the only son I Know of (so far) of James is, James Joseph b.abt 1812 also a Boot Closer.



By 1851 James Joseph b.1812 would already be married and not living at his Fathers address, because of this I cant be a 100% sure its the right James b 1793 on the 1851 Census you found.



I've tried searching the 1841 Census for James Senior, hoping it would give me more family members, but the only one I found was for a James b. 1787 occupation Ag. lab. Wrong date and occupation...So not my James.



Can you suggest any way for me to find him and is family before the 1851 Census.



I am so at a lost with this one.



Tralena

Hi



James junior in 1841 is in middlesex. marg is transcribed as mary and james is JOs but occupation is boot closer. with his child Joseph born 1839 in middlesex.



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 736; Book: 10; Civil Parish: St James; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 10; Folio: 20; Page: 37; Line: 17; GSU roll: 438837.



there is this death in 18 42.

James VictoryYear of Registration:1842Quarter of Registration:Apr-May-JunDistrict:St James WestminsterCounty:MiddlesexVolume:1Page:78





it doesnt give age at death but was wondering if it is the grandchild joseph who might actually have been christened james joseph like father and grandfather. this birth for 1839



James Joseph VictoryYear of Registration:1839 Quarter of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep District:Lambeth County:Greater London, London, Surrey Volume:4 Page:265



there is also this 1871 census which i assume you have seen because you mention the places in ireland in your first message.



Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1336; Folio: 68; Page: 47; GSU roll: 828278.



it gives grandchild james so either james didnt die as above or possibly as often happens first james died and they named another child james . this could fit in with the later birth date of 1853 in census.

also following births in dublin from dublinheritage.ie



Date Of BirthDate of BaptismSurnameFirstnameParish 07-09-1815VictoryJamesSt Mary's R.c.02-07-184902-07-1849VictoryJohnSt Andrews15-07-185015-07-1850VictoryMarianneSt Andrews 31-05-1808VictoryMarySt Mary's R.c.26-01-185526-01-1855VictoryMichaelSt Andrews19-04-185219-04-1852VictoryPatrickSt Andrews 12-08-1810VictoryRoseSt Mary's R.c. 25-10-1812VictorySarahSt Mary's R.c.02-01-179102-01-1791VictoryWillmSs Michael And John



they might at some later point help with your "victory" search in ireland