Thread: Isaces Hart

Listers,

Can any one help tighten up a certain gent in the 1881 British Census.

His name is Isaces Hart. His position is father in law and widower. He could be 70years old and that would date him at 1811. This would make the oldest person in my tree.

He is in a household where Lusman Hart is the head and Julia [Phillips] is wife.

Julia's mother is also living with the family.



All of this comes from FAMILY SEARCH.



I would appreciate any help with Isaces Hart.

Best wishes to all, Ray

Hi Ray,



There appear to be a lot of mistakes. I will try and trace the family before looking for marriages etc.



1881 Census



Lusman Hart

[Zusman Hart]

Age:27 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1854

Relation:Head

Spouse's Name:Julia

Gender:Male

Where born:Whitechapel, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish:St John Hackney

County/Island:London Country:England

Street address:523 Kingsland Rd West Side

Condition as to marriage:Married





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Occupation:Fish Monger

Registration district:Hackney Sub-registration district:West Hackney ED, institution, or vessel:16 Neighbors:View others on page Household Members:NameAge

Isaces Hart5

Isaces Hart70

Julia Hart25

Lusman Hart27

Polly Hart1

Rose Hart3

Zalji Hart6

Samuel Joel20

Mary Ann Newman19

Ester Philliphs58

Alice Thompson13

Jas.Alexr. Wilkins

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1871 Census



Paddington

London



Zalig Hart/Head/Mar/54/Fish Monger

Harmeth Hart/Wife/Mar/45

Benjamin Hart/19/Fish Monger

Rose Hart/18

Lyman Hart/16/Fish Monger

Zalig Hart/6/Grandson

Elizabeth Roberts/14



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1861 Census

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Registration district:Whitechapel Sub-registration district:Whitechapel North Household Members:Name Age



Zalig Hart/Head/ Mar/43/Fish Monger/Middlesex, Whitechapel

Mary Ann Hart/Wife/Mar/41/Middlesex, Aldgate

Moses Hart/Son/Um/14/Shop assistant/Middlesex, Aldgate

Elizabeth Hart/Dau/13/Scholar/Middlesex, Aldgate

Daniel Hart/Son/11/Middlesex, Whitechapel

Benjn Hart/Son/10/Middlesex, Whitechapel

Rosetta Hart/Dau/8/Middlesex, Whitechapel

Luseman (Zuseman) Hart/Son/6/Middlesex, Whitechapel

Lipman Hart/Son/4/Whitechapel, Middlesex

Margt Sullivan/Servant/49/Ireland, Cork

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1851 Census





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101 Petticoat Lane

Whitechapel North



Solomon Hart/Head/Mar/33/Fish Monger/Middlesex, Whitechapel

Mary Hart/Wife/Mar/32/Middlesex, Whitechapel

Moses Hart/Son/5/Middlesex, Whitechapel

Betsey Hart/Dau/4/Middlesex, Whitechapel

Solomon Joel/Nephew/22/Assistant-Fish/Middlesex, Whitechapel

Mary Ryan/Servant/35/Ireland

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1841 Census



Petticoat Lane

Whitechapel North



Leah Hart/45/Female/Fish Monger

Solomon Hart/20

Sarah Hart/20

Benjamin Hart/15

Lipman Hart/15

Rachel Hart/14

Judah Hart/10

Mickael Hart/7

Joseph Hart/3



All born in county

Hi Ray,



This looks like Isaac



1871 Census

11 Petticoat Sq

Aldgate



Isaac Phillips/Head/Mar/56/General Dealer/Middlesex, Whitechapel

Ester Phillips/Wife/Mar/47/Spitalfeilds

Abraham Phillips/Son/22/City St Botolph

Moses Phillips/Son/20/City St Botolph

Joseph Phillips/Son/17/

Rosetta Phillips/Dau/16/

Julia Phillips/Dau/14/

Aaron Phillips/Son/11/

Hi Ray,



This looks like the marriage



Marriages Mar 1875 (>99%)



Goldrich Joseph London C. 1c173

Hart Zuesman London C. 1c173

PHILLIPS Julia London C. 1c173

Rosenthal Leah London City 1c173

Hi Ray,



1861 Census

Petticoat ****

St Botolph Without Aldgate

Middlesex



Isaac Phillips/Head/Mar/44/General Dealer/Middlesex, Whitechapel

Esther Phillips/Wife/Mar/35/Middlesex, Spitalfields

Aaron Phillips/Son/19/Middlesex, Aldgate

Leah Phillips/Dau/17/Middlesex, Aldgate

Abraham Phillips/Son/15/Middlesex, Aldgate

Moses Phillips/Son/11/Middlesex, Aldgate

Joseph Phillips/Son/9/Middlesex, Aldgate

Rosetta Phillips/Dau/8/Middlesex, Aldgate

Julia Phillips/Dau/6/Middlesex, Aldgate

Frances Phillips/Dau/1 Month/Middlesex, Aldgate

Hi Ray,



A possible marriage for Isaac Phillips.



Marriages Sep 1850 (>99%)



Isaacs Esther S Lukes 2321

Lyons Woolf St Lukes 2321

Myers Isaac Lukes St 2321

Phillips Isaac St Luke 2321

I wanted to get this out before I turn my computer off the day so please for give any mistakes I might make.



I have spent the best part of today trying take anyone individual and make a connection from census to census. Help!



I would also suggest that HARMETH is Hannah I have a wedding certificate with a combination Zalig/Hannah a second marriage.



Also I think we can call Solomon Hart, ZALIG SOLOMON HART.



My thanks to those who have attempted to help me.

My best wishes to all, Ray

Hi Ray,



I agree that Zalig and Solomon look like the same person. The 1851 and 1861 census where the names change, still have the ages, children and places of birth correct. I also thought Harmeth was Hannah but didn't manage to find the marriage reference.

Isaces Hart in the 1881 census is stated as brother-in-law in which case his surname should be the same as the wife of head of household's maiden name. In this case Phillips. ( If his surname was Hart relationship would have been brother). It is possible that a Hart married a Hart somewhere though but I have not found it.

I have Solomon Zalig Hart's death cert.