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    Listers,

    Can any one help tighten up a certain gent in the 1881 British Census.

    His name is Isaces Hart. His position is father in law and widower. He could be 70years old and that would date him at 1811. This would make the oldest person in my tree.

    He is in a household where Lusman Hart is the head and Julia [Phillips] is wife.

    Julia's mother is also living with the family.



    All of this comes from FAMILY SEARCH.



    I would appreciate any help with Isaces Hart.

    Best wishes to all, Ray

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    Hi Ray,



    There appear to be a lot of mistakes. I will try and trace the family before looking for marriages etc.



    1881 Census



    Lusman Hart

    [Zusman Hart]


    Age:27 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1854

    Relation:Head

    Spouse's Name:Julia

    Gender:Male

    Where born:Whitechapel, Middlesex, England

    Civil Parish:St John Hackney

    County/Island:London Country:England

    Street address:523 Kingsland Rd West Side

    Condition as to marriage:Married





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    Occupation:Fish Monger

    Registration district:Hackney Sub-registration district:West Hackney ED, institution, or vessel:16 Neighbors:View others on page Household Members:NameAge

    Isaces Hart5

    Isaces Hart70

    Julia Hart25

    Lusman Hart27

    Polly Hart1

    Rose Hart3

    Zalji Hart6

    Samuel Joel20

    Mary Ann Newman19

    Ester Philliphs58

    Alice Thompson13

    Jas.Alexr. Wilkins

    .................................................. .................................................. ...



    1871 Census



    Paddington

    London



    Zalig Hart/Head/Mar/54/Fish Monger

    Harmeth Hart/Wife/Mar/45

    Benjamin Hart/19/Fish Monger

    Rose Hart/18

    Lyman Hart/16/Fish Monger

    Zalig Hart/6/Grandson

    Elizabeth Roberts/14



    .................................................. .................................................. ..

    1861 Census

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    Registration district:Whitechapel Sub-registration district:Whitechapel North Household Members:Name Age



    Zalig Hart/Head/ Mar/43/Fish Monger/Middlesex, Whitechapel

    Mary Ann Hart/Wife/Mar/41/Middlesex, Aldgate

    Moses Hart/Son/Um/14/Shop assistant/Middlesex, Aldgate

    Elizabeth Hart/Dau/13/Scholar/Middlesex, Aldgate

    Daniel Hart/Son/11/Middlesex, Whitechapel

    Benjn Hart/Son/10/Middlesex, Whitechapel

    Rosetta Hart/Dau/8/Middlesex, Whitechapel

    Luseman (Zuseman) Hart/Son/6/Middlesex, Whitechapel

    Lipman Hart/Son/4/Whitechapel, Middlesex

    Margt Sullivan/Servant/49/Ireland, Cork

    .................................................. .............................................

    1851 Census





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    101 Petticoat Lane

    Whitechapel North



    Solomon Hart/Head/Mar/33/Fish Monger/Middlesex, Whitechapel

    Mary Hart/Wife/Mar/32/Middlesex, Whitechapel

    Moses Hart/Son/5/Middlesex, Whitechapel

    Betsey Hart/Dau/4/Middlesex, Whitechapel

    Solomon Joel/Nephew/22/Assistant-Fish/Middlesex, Whitechapel

    Mary Ryan/Servant/35/Ireland

    .................................................. .................................................



    1841 Census



    Petticoat Lane

    Whitechapel North



    Leah Hart/45/Female/Fish Monger

    Solomon Hart/20

    Sarah Hart/20

    Benjamin Hart/15

    Lipman Hart/15

    Rachel Hart/14

    Judah Hart/10

    Mickael Hart/7

    Joseph Hart/3



    All born in county

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    Hi Ray,



    This looks like Isaac



    1871 Census

    11 Petticoat Sq

    Aldgate



    Isaac Phillips/Head/Mar/56/General Dealer/Middlesex, Whitechapel

    Ester Phillips/Wife/Mar/47/Spitalfeilds

    Abraham Phillips/Son/22/City St Botolph

    Moses Phillips/Son/20/City St Botolph

    Joseph Phillips/Son/17/

    Rosetta Phillips/Dau/16/

    Julia Phillips/Dau/14/

    Aaron Phillips/Son/11/

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    Hi Ray,



    This looks like the marriage



    Marriages Mar 1875 (>99%)



    Goldrich Joseph London C. 1c173

    Hart Zuesman London C. 1c173

    PHILLIPS Julia London C. 1c173

    Rosenthal Leah London City 1c173

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    Hi Ray,



    1861 Census

    Petticoat ****

    St Botolph Without Aldgate

    Middlesex



    Isaac Phillips/Head/Mar/44/General Dealer/Middlesex, Whitechapel

    Esther Phillips/Wife/Mar/35/Middlesex, Spitalfields

    Aaron Phillips/Son/19/Middlesex, Aldgate

    Leah Phillips/Dau/17/Middlesex, Aldgate

    Abraham Phillips/Son/15/Middlesex, Aldgate

    Moses Phillips/Son/11/Middlesex, Aldgate

    Joseph Phillips/Son/9/Middlesex, Aldgate

    Rosetta Phillips/Dau/8/Middlesex, Aldgate

    Julia Phillips/Dau/6/Middlesex, Aldgate

    Frances Phillips/Dau/1 Month/Middlesex, Aldgate

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    Hi Ray,



    A possible marriage for Isaac Phillips.



    Marriages Sep 1850 (>99%)



    Isaacs Esther S Lukes 2321

    Lyons Woolf St Lukes 2321

    Myers Isaac Lukes St 2321

    Phillips Isaac St Luke 2321

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    Default Re: Isaces Hart

    I wanted to get this out before I turn my computer off the day so please for give any mistakes I might make.



    I have spent the best part of today trying take anyone individual and make a connection from census to census. Help!



    I would also suggest that HARMETH is Hannah I have a wedding certificate with a combination Zalig/Hannah a second marriage.



    Also I think we can call Solomon Hart, ZALIG SOLOMON HART.



    My thanks to those who have attempted to help me.

    My best wishes to all, Ray

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    Hi Ray,



    I agree that Zalig and Solomon look like the same person. The 1851 and 1861 census where the names change, still have the ages, children and places of birth correct. I also thought Harmeth was Hannah but didn't manage to find the marriage reference.

    Isaces Hart in the 1881 census is stated as brother-in-law in which case his surname should be the same as the wife of head of household's maiden name. In this case Phillips. ( If his surname was Hart relationship would have been brother). It is possible that a Hart married a Hart somewhere though but I have not found it.

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    Default Re: Isaces Hart

    I have Solomon Zalig Hart's death cert.

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    Default Re: Isaces Hart

    Any chance of a copy, please? If you can use them I have copies of Abrahm Isaac Hart 1879.

    Regards, Harks.
    Hart, Button, Sowter, Hoffman, Lintenbrink, Tattersall,

 

 

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