Thread: Bennetts

I am tearing my hair out



My g g grandfather, James Bennetts born 1828 ish , moved from Tywardreath and married my g g grandmother Mary Ann Nicholls in Swansea. They moved up to Cardiganshire where James and John Bands were born. James 1854 and John Bands 1859. This is from the 1861 census.



However, in 1871 Mary Anne is now a Mrs Gregory, back in Swansea with her daughter also Mary Anne by her second husband and John Bands. I have Mary Anne's birth cert from July 1866 and it states Mother as Mary Anne Gregory, late Bennetts, formally Nicholls - which leads me to believe that she is a widow. But there is NO trace at all of James' death or of his son James who also disappears after the 1861 census. I have been through BMD numerous times. They were a strong Christian family so I really don't think that they just ran off. It's bizarre!!



I am also looking for the origins behind my g grandfather and my g uncle's name - JOhn Bands. I know that there is a John Bands christened in Tywardreath in 1817 as well - so it is at least 3 generations old.



Any ideas anyone?



It's so enjoyable - even when it is frustrating. Although way too addictive!!!

On FreeBDM I found a marriage for Mary Ann Bennetts to William Gregory March Qtr 1865 in Swansea. I presume this is your Mary Ann.



Also found deaths for 2 James Bennetts in June Qtr 1864 both in Penzance both volume 5c pages 230 and 231. Could these be your James' . Seems a bit coincidental that 2 James Bennetts die in the same qtr in the same place. Living at the bottom end of the earth I am not too sure of the geography of Penzance to Cardiganshire but it's worth a look see.



Good luck with your research.

My geography aint great either..but I think Penzance is in Cornwall......Tywardreath & Cardiganshire are in Wales



but they really only "round the corner" on a map





But there is always the possibilty that he died in Cornwall...



Good luck with your research



Loz

Thanks to you both for your posts :-)



Yes, that is my Mary Ann's marriage to William Gregory. Tywardreath and Penzance are in Cornwall and Cardiganshire is in Wales.



With regards to the James and James in Penzance - I had come across that in the BMD before - I guess there is a chance that they moved back to Cornwall and get a fever or there was a mine accident and they died and then Mary Ann and John B moved back to Swansea.



I guess I will have to bite the bullet and buy a death cert. I just wish they weren't so expensive *sigh*. I know there has to be a fee but I think there should be a reduced rate for us geneas - don't you agree:-)



Happy Sunday!



xx

Hi Julie

Presume this is the christening you found?

John Bond Bennetts 25/5/1817 Tywardreath parents James & Anne

This looks like parents marriage 23 Jan 1817 Tywardreath James Bennetts to Anne Bonds

What do you think?

Gillian

Hmmm, stranger and stranger!!!



I had a note on a Welsh Genealogy Site regarding this and a relation of an Ann Bands contacted me two weeks ago and said that James Bennetts Sr was witness at the wedding of Ann in Llanfihangel in 1859 ish. He said that Ann was from Cornwall too - so this is almost certainly "my" James. I know there was another James Bennetts living in the area at the time but he was originally from Devon if I remember correctly.



I wonder why Bond changed to Bands. I wish these folks had thought of generations ahead and had left more clues



My Dad, who is 83, remembers stories of

a. a female preacher in the family in the 1800's in Cornwall - Mary Bell or Marybelle Bennetts.

b. a female relation who left her mine shares with her nephew in Cornwall, when she moved to Wales, but the nephew gambled them away and moved to USA.



It's just all so fascinating but also ... so frustrating!!!



;-)

Lol told you my geography was poor!

I know that in one of my searches through various Genealogy sites there was one where people offered look ups in BMD in Cornwall. I presume they worked in the Registry. I don't suppose anyone has any idea where I saw this - I thought I could ask them to look up the two James' deaths in Penzance to see if they are "mine".



Back to work ...... :-)

Hi Julia,



Some BMD's can be found here :- http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/coverage.php



I can't tell how complete it is as the writing is too small for me but you might have more luck.

[quote name='geneajulia']Hmmm, stranger and stranger!!!



I had a note on a Welsh Genealogy Site regarding this and a relation of an Ann Bands contacted me two weeks ago and said that James Bennetts Sr was witness at the wedding of Ann in Llanfihangel in 1859 ish. He said that Ann was from Cornwall too - so this is almost certainly "my" James. I know there was another James Bennetts living in the area at the time but he was originally from Devon if I remember correctly.



I wonder why Bond changed to Bands. I wish these folks had thought of generations ahead and had left more clues



My Dad, who is 83, remembers stories of

a. a female preacher in the family in the 1800's in Cornwall - Mary Bell or Marybelle Bennetts.

b. a female relation who left her mine shares with her nephew in Cornwall, when she moved to Wales, but the nephew gambled them away and moved to USA.



It's just all so fascinating but also ... so frustrating!!!



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I think I can help. Following is an explanation by my father, Thomas Davies born 23 Dec 1930 in Ton y Pandy of Suzannah Mary Davies (nee Adams) (b Ton y Pandy 1903?) and David Emlyn Davies (b Gilfach Goch in 1907)



Suzannah Adams was the Grand-daughter of Anne Bands who married Jacob Jacobs of Yspytty Ystwyth









ANN BANDS from TYWARDREATH, CORNWALL



1. My great great grandfather was a lead miner at Yspytty Ystwyth in mid Wales. His name was Jacob Jacobs, born 1826, died 21st March 1897. His wife’s name was Ann, née Bands, born 1829 at Tywardreath, Nr. St. Blazey, Cornwall. She died on 31st December 1890, and they are both buried at Yspytty Ystwyth.



I know a great deal about the Jacobs’ side of my family, but absolutely nothing about the family of my great great grandmother, born Ann Bands. The 1881 census merely describes Jacob Jacobs’ family living in Yspytty Ystwyth, mentioning AnnJacobs being born in Tywardreath. One of their children was given the name “John Bands Jacob”, which verifies his mother’s maiden name, apart from a record in the family bible.



Does anyone have any information about the family and background of Ann Bands.



For example, were my great great grandparents married in Cornwall or in Wales.? I would be fascinated to know how these two people met, from such different origins. Perhaps Jacob Jacobs went to work in the china clay pits around St. Austell, or Ann Bands may have been in service in mid-Wales.



I have asked the registry office in Truro if they can find Ann Bands’ birth certificate, but apparently such registrations did not start until 1837.



GEORGINA (ADAMS?) from IRON ACTON, Nr. BRISTOL



2. My great uncle Jacob Edwin Adams – the grandson of Jacob Jacobs above, married a Georgina and lived in Jones Street, Blaenclydach, Nr. Tonypandy, S. Wales. They had five children, David, Dulcie, Dorothy, Norman and Trevor. Trevor sadly died when a youngster following an accident which required a leg to be amputated, with further complications. My father was very fond of his Uncle Jake and Auntie “Ena”, and remembers the family very well from the time he was a youngster in Tonypandy. He tells me that Auntie “Ena” was a very beautiful, loving lady with a most enchanting accent.



Does anyone know what else became of my father’s cousins – the above offsprings, particularly Dorothy. Enquiries with people in Jones Street have revealed nothing. In particular, does anyone have any information about the family background of great Auntie “Ena” who, it is believed, came from near Bristol, possibly around Iron Acton.



Uncle Jake’s father Thomas Edwin Adams (hence the middle forename!), although settling in Tonypandy after his marriage, came from Iron Acton. He married Elizabeth, the daughter of Jacob Jacobs and Ann Bands above and settled in Tonypandy.



It does not take much imagination to work out how Uncle Jake met Georgina, as very likely he was used to visiting his father’s relatives in Iron Acton, or perhaps Georgina was visiting Tonypandy at the time of their marriage, as she may have been related in some way to Thomas Edwin Adams. Her surname is not known, but it may very well have been Adams also. More conjecture suggests that she was uncle Jake’s cousin, through his father’s family in Iron Acton.



One point known: Jake Adams and Georgina were married on 5th August, 1918, on the second day of his leave from France. This suggests that he went straight to Bristol on his leave, but that is also conjecture.