Thread: 1901 Cenus Lookup please

Frederick (or James Frederick) Miller

Mary Ann Bailey



On GM (Lily Miller) birth cert in 1904 address listed is

by Brasenose Road

Registration District: West Derby

Sub-district: Kirkdale

County: Liverpool



The census may list occupation of father as dock labourer. On GM's marriage cert, occupation is listed as shopkeeper.





Any help is greatly appreciated!

kptz



His name was originally James Frederick Mueller which he changed to Miller when he came to England

Hi kptz

1901 England Census 1901 England Census



Name:Frederick MillerAge:26 Estimated birth year:abt 1875Relation:Lodger Gender:Male Where born:German Subj, GermanyCivil Parish:Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish:St Thomas County/Island:Lancashire Country:England Street address:



Occupation:



Condition as to marriage:



Education:



Employment status:



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Registration district:Liverpool Sub-registration district:St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel:3 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:192Household Members:NameAgeSamuel Armestad28 Richard Cotter60 George Davis21 Benjamin Donohue17 Thomas Dunne30 Edward Eg??23 Thomas Fallon26 Joseph Handly30 Patrick Hardy20 William Harthill26 Joseph Hayes46 Charlie Honsinger29 Peter Jones26 James Logan22 William Mc Donald19 James Mc Donough17 Elizabeth B McEvoy28 James P McEvoy30 Michael McNulty50 Alexandra Miller31 Frederick Miller26 Matthew Moore30 William Murphy37 James Murrey14 John Nicholson21 John Radeliff47 Thos Render36 Bernard Reynolds22 John Rugemenus18 Patrick Ryan34 John Sharkey22 Emanuel Terry56 Henry Thompson33 Thomas Williams24 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3414; Folio: 78; Page: 36.



Occupation is given as cattle drover (sea)

Originally Posted by bigdon

Hi kptz

1901 England Census 1901 England Census



Name:Frederick MillerAge:26 Estimated birth year:abt 1875Relation:Lodger Gender:Male Where born:German Subj, GermanyCivil Parish:Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish:St Thomas County/Island:Lancashire Country:England Street address:



Occupation:



Condition as to marriage:



Education:



Employment status:



View image

Registration district:Liverpool Sub-registration district:St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel:3 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:192Household Members:NameAgeSamuel Armestad28 Richard Cotter60 George Davis21 Benjamin Donohue17 Thomas Dunne30 Edward Eg??23 Thomas Fallon26 Joseph Handly30 Patrick Hardy20 William Harthill26 Joseph Hayes46 Charlie Honsinger29 Peter Jones26 James Logan22 William Mc Donald19 James Mc Donough17 Elizabeth B McEvoy28 James P McEvoy30 Michael McNulty50 Alexandra Miller31 Frederick Miller26 Matthew Moore30 William Murphy37 James Murrey14 John Nicholson21 John Radeliff47 Thos Render36 Bernard Reynolds22 John Rugemenus18 Patrick Ryan34 John Sharkey22 Emanuel Terry56 Henry Thompson33 Thomas Williams24 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3414; Folio: 78; Page: 36.



Occupation is given as cattle drover (sea)

Thanks, Big Don!





I need to go to the library to view the images you so graciously found. I am looking forward to seeing what you discovered.





I wonder when Frederick married Mary Ann Bailey given he is listed as a lodger in 1901 and that my GM was born in 1904, and she had at least 1 older sister.



Thanks for helping me with the journey!

kptz

Hi kptz,



On checking 1911 and 1938 Liverpool Street Directorie's I found James Frederick Miller listed at 67 Braesnose Road,Kirkdale,Liverpool.

I then checked Free BM&D's from 1890 upto 1916 and although there were a number of marriage's there were none showing Mary Ann Bailey as a possible partner.

I think you may have to start looking for James Frederick's death and apply for a copy certificate to find out who the informant was. There is a possibility, that James and Mary Ann never married !



Nanna

Nanna -- thanks you so..much! 67 Braesnose Road is the address listed on my GM (Lily Miller) marriage certificate in 1923.



Did you find him listed as a shopkeeper? My late mother always said her grandfather was a dutch sea captain. However, we all know that family lore is not always accurate!



It is interesting about the name of my GGF - a cousin I recently was able to contact said his name was James Frederick Miller. On the birth certificate for my GM his name is listed as Frederick; however, on the marriage cerificate for my GM his name is listed as James Frederick. I know both certificates relate to my GM.





I will take your suggestion and look for his death entry -- have to get to the library! If they were not married, is there a way to find Mary Ann?



Thank you for your generosity!





btw--Please accept my best thoughts and prayers for all of you who have been affected by the heavy rains and floods.

Hi,

Sorry both listings didn't say what James Frederick's occupation was.



Nanna

Hi Nanna - thanks for checking! I found out one of my mother's first cousin's is still alive. I wrote to her and she told me that the family was originally from Warren Point in County Down. She didn't have any other information than what I have for James. I wonder if he met Mary Ann in Ireland and then moved to England or, if Mary Ann's family moved from Ireland and they met in England....more detective work to be done!





I appreciate all your help



kptz

I went to the library to find the 1901 census record Big Don found and instead found a listing for 67 Braesnose Road listing

Fred Miller

Mary A Miller

with 6 children, the youngest being 3 at the time and whose name was Nellie, the name I am familiar with as on of my grandmother's sisters.



Intersting to note, however, that the country listed as where born is Ireland for both Fred and Mary. I am guessing that perhaps there is an error in the records - that they were married in Ireland. Two of the children - 1st and 3rd - are also listed as born in Ireland. I think I heard the family was from Warren Point in County Down.



On both the birth certificate (1904) and the marriage certificate (1923) for my GM, her address is listed as 67 Brasenose Road. Maybe I got lucky!



kptz