Thread: gaffneys from liverpool

philion · 13-09-2008, 04:23 AM

I'm searching for a marriage of William Gaffney and Ellen McAnn who are listed in the 1881 and 1891 census of England. William was born ~ 1853 and Ellen ~1857, both in Ireland. In 1881, they were living in Everton, Liverpool in the ecclesiastical parish of St. Leonard. I need to know the Catholic church where the children were baptized for additional information on this couple. Thanks, Philion

Light · 13-09-2008, 08:40 AM

Hi, Is this the family?

For Information on the children ..

1891c, RG12; Piece: 2973; Folio 95; Page 49

Name: William Gaffney
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Bootle
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonard
Town: Bootle
County/Island: Lancashire

Ellen Gaffney 36 Wife Ireland..
James I Gaffney son 7 Liverpool
Philip Gaffney son 3 Wavertree
Richard Gaffney son 5 Manchester
William Gaffney 40 Head.. Tram car driver Ireland
William E Gaffney son 14 Liverpool

Light · 13-09-2008, 10:57 AM

Hi

Theres a Richard Gaffney on the IGI in Manchester..Its a submitted entry..

Birth 30 NOV 1885 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Death 06 MAR 1949...Parents WILLIAM GAFFNEY Family Mother: ELLEN MC CANN

Light · 13-09-2008, 11:31 AM

Then theres this birth..

Richard Gaffney..Jan q 1886..vol 8c page 470 Chorlton..

I would take the the IGI entry from Family Search with a pinch of salt unless you can verify it!

I saw a pedigree on there that has the child older than his father

nanna · 13-09-2008, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philion

I'm searching for a marriage of William Gaffney and Ellen McAnn who are listed in the 1881 and 1891 census of England. William was born ~ 1853 and Ellen ~1857, both in Ireland. In 1881, they were living in Everton, Liverpool in the ecclesiastical parish of St. Leonard. I need to know the Catholic church where the children were baptized for additional information on this couple. Thanks, Philion

Hi Philion,
Lancashire BM&D's
William (J) Gaffney and Ellen McCann married 1875 at Liverpool Register Office.

Findmypast.com
William Joseph Gaffney and Ellen McCann Sept Qtr 1875 Liverpool 8B 488

What is the additional information you require on this couple, can you give any details.

Nanna

philion · 14-09-2008, 04:03 AM

Many thanks to the very rapid response to my query about Wm. Gaffney and Ellen McCann. The large group of researchers starting from Winnard to Gallagher confirmed my information about the children of this couple. Today, I received from Nanna the date of the marriage (1875) which took place in Liverpool , or Everton. This is information I did not possess and I hope will be the key to at last finding the Church marriage record which should divulge the parents of this couple. Now, does the LRO divulge the parents of this couple, or do I still need to locate the marriage record from the Church where they were wed?
Thank you again for making my family search successful.

Very best regards,

Philion

Raven · 14-09-2008, 06:30 AM

Hi Philion,

You would have to buy the cert from GRO or Liverpool to establish the fathers of William and Ellen.

nanna · 14-09-2008, 12:58 PM

Hi Philion,
If my memory serves me right, I don't think LRO keep records of Register Office marriages, it may have changed as it is a few years since I was last there.
I think your best bet is to purchse a copy of the marriage certificate either from ONS at
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

The fees are as follows and you will need a credit card to apply on line
Full certificate with GRO index reference supplied £7.00

Or you can apply by post, enclosing Cheque/Postal Order at the following address:
GRO
P.O. Box 2
Southport
Merseyside

Or you can go to Lancashire BM&D's click on the relevant year for the marriage and you will see a code on the right hand side, click on this and you will get a printable form which you can use to purchase a copy direct from the registration office in Liverpool.
Good Luck with your continued research

Nanna

philion · 15-09-2008, 04:14 PM

Many thanks to Raven and Nanna. I applied for the certificate and should receive it around Sept. 22.

One last question, are you able to access the 1871 census, I'm curious if that would have more information about the family. Thanks again

Richard

Raven · 15-09-2008, 04:25 PM

Hi Philion
Have found a possible for William but until you get the marriage cert it might just be a stab in the dark...

William Gafney
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ann J
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image
Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Household schedule number: 148
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann J Gafney 47(wife of James)
Bridget Gafney 26(wife of Richard)
James Gafney 46(groom in Gentleman's family)
Richard Gafney 29(discharged soldier)
Richard Gafney 6 months(son of Richard - born in India)
William Gafney 21( occupation Groom )
Class: RG10; Piece: 3816; Folio: 129; Page: 30

this could be Ellen . This seems the most likely...
but as I said above, until you get the marriage certificate.. we can only
surmise...

Name: Ellen McCann
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Household schedule number: 198
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Burns 60
Elizabeth McCann 52
Ellen McCann 18
James McCann 21
Jane McCann 16
Philip McCann 14
William McCann 54
William McCann 23

Class: RG10; Piece: 3764; Folio: 26; Page: 43

13-09-2008, 04:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
philion New Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7	gaffneys from liverpool I'm searching for a marriage of William Gaffney and Ellen McAnn who are listed in the 1881 and 1891 census of England. William was born ~ 1853 and Ellen ~1857, both in Ireland. In 1881, they were living in Everton, Liverpool in the ecclesiastical parish of St. Leonard. I need to know the Catholic church where the children were baptized for additional information on this couple. Thanks, Philion
philion New Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7

13-09-2008, 08:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
Light AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2,199 Total Awards: 5	Re: gaffneys from liverpool Hi, Is this the family? For Information on the children .. 1891c, RG12; Piece: 2973; Folio 95; Page 49 Name: William Gaffney Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Bootle Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonard Town: Bootle County/Island: Lancashire Ellen Gaffney 36 Wife Ireland.. James I Gaffney son 7 Liverpool Philip Gaffney son 3 Wavertree Richard Gaffney son 5 Manchester William Gaffney 40 Head.. Tram car driver Ireland William E Gaffney son 14 Liverpool
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13-09-2008, 10:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
Light AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2,199 Total Awards: 5	Re: gaffneys from liverpool Hi Theres a Richard Gaffney on the IGI in Manchester..Its a submitted entry.. Birth 30 NOV 1885 Manchester, Lancashire, England Death 06 MAR 1949...Parents WILLIAM GAFFNEY Family Mother: ELLEN MC CANN
	Light Researching Winnard, Moore, Gregory, Fisher, Flavell, Leigh, Owens, Almond, King, Bradshaw, Taylor, Dodd, Jameson, Walls, Ryder, Coleman, Conroy, Gollagher, Rider.

13-09-2008, 11:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
Light AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2,199 Total Awards: 5	Re: gaffneys from liverpool Then theres this birth.. Richard Gaffney..Jan q 1886..vol 8c page 470 Chorlton.. I would take the the IGI entry from Family Search with a pinch of salt unless you can verify it! I saw a pedigree on there that has the child older than his father Last edited by Light; 13-09-2008 at 11:33 AM.
	Light Researching Winnard, Moore, Gregory, Fisher, Flavell, Leigh, Owens, Almond, King, Bradshaw, Taylor, Dodd, Jameson, Walls, Ryder, Coleman, Conroy, Gollagher, Rider.

14-09-2008, 04:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
philion New Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7	Re: gaffneys from liverpool Many thanks to the very rapid response to my query about Wm. Gaffney and Ellen McCann. The large group of researchers starting from Winnard to Gallagher confirmed my information about the children of this couple. Today, I received from Nanna the date of the marriage (1875) which took place in Liverpool , or Everton. This is information I did not possess and I hope will be the key to at last finding the Church marriage record which should divulge the parents of this couple. Now, does the LRO divulge the parents of this couple, or do I still need to locate the marriage record from the Church where they were wed? Thank you again for making my family search successful. Very best regards, Philion
philion New Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7

14-09-2008, 06:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
Raven Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sunny Stonehaven Posts: 2,731 Total Awards: 5	Re: gaffneys from liverpool Hi Philion, You would have to buy the cert from GRO or Liverpool to establish the fathers of William and Ellen.
	Raven.. researching: Matchett (Ayrshire, Dundee),McFarland (Co derry NI) Dick, Ewing, Nairn, Young (Ayrshire) Koehler (East Prussia), Russell( Peebleshire)

14-09-2008, 12:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
nanna Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Liverpool, Merseyside.U.K Posts: 11,524 Total Awards: 3	Re: gaffneys from liverpool Hi Philion, If my memory serves me right, I don't think LRO keep records of Register Office marriages, it may have changed as it is a few years since I was last there. I think your best bet is to purchse a copy of the marriage certificate either from ONS at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ The fees are as follows and you will need a credit card to apply on line Full certificate with GRO index reference supplied £7.00 Or you can apply by post, enclosing Cheque/Postal Order at the following address: GRO P.O. Box 2 Southport Merseyside Or you can go to Lancashire BM&D's click on the relevant year for the marriage and you will see a code on the right hand side, click on this and you will get a printable form which you can use to purchase a copy direct from the registration office in Liverpool. Good Luck with your continued research Nanna
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15-09-2008, 04:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
philion New Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7	Re: gaffneys from liverpool Many thanks to Raven and Nanna. I applied for the certificate and should receive it around Sept. 22. One last question, are you able to access the 1871 census, I'm curious if that would have more information about the family. Thanks again Richard
philion New Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7

15-09-2008, 04:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
Raven Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sunny Stonehaven Posts: 2,731 Total Awards: 5	Re: gaffneys from liverpool Hi Philion Have found a possible for William but until you get the marriage cert it might just be a stab in the dark... William Gafney Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Son Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Ann J Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: St George County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 47 Household schedule number: 148 Household Members: Name Age Ann J Gafney 47(wife of James) Bridget Gafney 26(wife of Richard) James Gafney 46(groom in Gentleman's family) Richard Gafney 29(discharged soldier) Richard Gafney 6 months(son of Richard - born in India) William Gafney 21( occupation Groom ) *Class: RG10; Piece: 3816; Folio: 129; Page: 30* this could be Ellen . This seems the most likely... but as I said above, until you get the marriage certificate.. we can only surmise... Name: Ellen McCann Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthias County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View Image Registration district: Liverpool Sub registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 48 Household schedule number: 198 Household Members: Name Age Patrick Burns 60 Elizabeth McCann 52 Ellen McCann 18 James McCann 21 Jane McCann 16 Philip McCann 14 William McCann 54 William McCann 23 Class: RG10; Piece: 3764; Folio: 26; Page: 43 Last edited by Raven; 15-09-2008 at 04:32 PM. Reason: adding to post
	Raven.. researching: Matchett (Ayrshire, Dundee),McFarland (Co derry NI) Dick, Ewing, Nairn, Young (Ayrshire) Koehler (East Prussia), Russell( Peebleshire)