Thread: 1891 Lookup request

Ixion · 10-09-2008, 06:09 PM

William Edward Green, Born 1860 (possibly January); marriage certificate of 1892 shows him as resident at 'Christchurch, Blackfriars (Southwark)'. His fathers name was William. Can someone please lookup address and family details from 1891 census? many thanks.

Chris · 10-09-2008, 06:27 PM

Cannot find William Edward Green b.1860

Have found this

about Edwin William Green
Name:Edwin William GreenAge:1 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1860Relation:Son Father's Name:Edwin JamesMother's Name:CarolineGender:MaleWhere born:St Anns; Westr, Middlesex, EnglandCivil Parish:Westminster St Martin in The Fields County/Island:Middlesex Country:England Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View Image
Registration district:St Martin In The Fields Sub registration district:Charing Cross ED, institution, or vessel:4 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:131Household Members:NameAgeEdward Fagg29 William Fagg26 Caroline Green26 Edwin James Green26 Edwin William Green1 Margret Roote

Light · 10-09-2008, 06:34 PM

Hi,

Same as Chris I cant see an William Edward on the 1891..

theres this one,,

1891c... RG12; Piece: 341; Folio 22; Page 39;

Name: William E Green
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows
County/Island: London

William E Green Stepson...Bricklayer 30
Charles Powell 59 Head ...London ...Bricklayer
Charles J R Powell Son 22
Mary A Powell 64 Wife.... Limehouse

Address looks like 5 Surrey Row Christchurch.

Was his father deceased on his marriage cert?

sonstar · 10-09-2008, 06:37 PM

ive had alot of problems tracing people due to discrepencies on the census details... also with family members renaming themselves.

My grandads older sister died when she was 7 and he remembered "molly" turns out it was Mary F Bentley.... it took me ages to work that out!!!

Could the name be anything else ?ie fathers name be something else.

Even though he was a resident in southwark - was he born around that area do you know?

slizzy · 10-09-2008, 06:47 PM

Hi Ixion,

What does the marriage certificate state for his father's occupation?

Were the witnesses family members'?

Ixion · 10-09-2008, 09:08 PM

Hi Good People,
I think 'Light' has found a hot match. My surname is Powell as you probably figured. What I have not revealed is that the Male witness on the Marriage certificate is Charles John Robert Powell this must be the Charles J R Powell on 'light's' response surely?
BTW William Green (the father) is shown as an Engineer on the Marriage cert. so I assume he must have been alive then, but this would make him at least 65 perhaps?
This astonishing find also raises more questions ... "stepson"????? was his father really in attendance at the wedding? Did they divorce?
For info William Edward Green changed his name to William Edwin Green on marriage to Edith Alexandra Tunbridge at Poplar in 1892.
But at least now a 100 year old family mystery about the surname change can be laid to rest!
Anyone fancy digging deeper on William Edward Green's father William?

Light · 10-09-2008, 09:29 PM

Hi

Found this on Family Search...

Born
15 NOV 1859 ..Father William John Green Mother Annie..

WILLIAM EDWARD GREEN Baptised,
11 FEB 1868 St Sepulchre, London, London, England

It is an extracted record so you could look it up at your local LDS centre..

David13 · 11-09-2008, 12:29 AM

hi

The Powell/Green family can be found at Surrey Row Christchurch in the 1871 (RG10 piece 594 folio 96 p 2) & 1881 census (RG11 0517/90-33)

Head: Charles Powell, Wife: Mary A , She being 10 years his senior.

in 1871 sons & daughters listed are
Eliza A Green age 17, Edwin W Green age 11, Elizabeth M Powell age 7, Charlotte M Powell age 5, Chas J Powell age 2. Mary & Eliza born in Middlesex, all the rest in Surrey.

In 1881 sons & daughters are
William E Powell age 21, Charlotte Powell age 16, Chas J Powell age 12.

In the IGI I found an Eliza Ann Green born nov 1854 to Jospeh & Mary Ann.

I am not sure that the absence/presence of deceased against a father in a marriage certificate is particularly accurate, especially if it is a GRO copy. (Saw a report of 9 errors in 1 marriage record at the GRO)

Hope this helps

rather than confuse further.

David

P.S think I have found the Greens in 1861 in St George Southwark (RG09 piece 334 folio 1 page 1)

Head William Tunbridge Unmarried 21
Mary Ann Green Widow age 34 Sister
Eliza Ann Green age 8 Dau of sister
Edwin Willm Green age 1 Son
2 servants and visitor Mary Ann Tunbridge age 59
The page is badly damaged and on FindMyPast the transcription is very poor

Jun Quarter 1847 a Mary Ann Tunbridge married a Joseph Green in Camberwell.

10-09-2008, 06:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ixion Committed Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Devon Posts: 57	1891 Lookup request William Edward Green, Born 1860 (possibly January); marriage certificate of 1892 shows him as resident at 'Christchurch, Blackfriars (Southwark)'. His fathers name was William. Can someone please lookup address and family details from 1891 census? many thanks.

10-09-2008, 06:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
Chris Ancestry Aid Owner Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK - England Posts: 5,586	Re: 1891 Lookup request Cannot find William Edward Green b.1860 Have found this about Edwin William Green Name:Edwin William GreenAge:1 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1860Relation:Son Father's Name:Edwin JamesMother's Name:CarolineGender:MaleWhere born:St Anns; Westr, Middlesex, EnglandCivil Parish:Westminster St Martin in The Fields County/Island:Middlesex Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district:St Martin In The Fields Sub registration district:Charing Cross ED, institution, or vessel:4 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:131Household Members:NameAgeEdward Fagg29 William Fagg26 Caroline Green26 Edwin James Green26 Edwin William Green1 Margret Roote
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10-09-2008, 06:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
Light AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2,199 Total Awards: 5	Re: 1891 Lookup request Hi, Same as Chris I cant see an William Edward on the 1891.. theres this one,, 1891c... RG12; Piece: 341; Folio 22; Page 39; Name: William E Green Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Stepson Mother's Name: Mary A Gender: Male Where born: Lambeth, London, England Civil Parish: Christchurch Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows County/Island: London William E Green Stepson...Bricklayer 30 Charles Powell 59 Head ...London ...Bricklayer Charles J R Powell Son 22 Mary A Powell 64 Wife.... Limehouse Address looks like 5 Surrey Row Christchurch. Was his father deceased on his marriage cert? Last edited by Light; 10-09-2008 at 06:37 PM.
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10-09-2008, 06:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
sonstar Committed Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norfolk Posts: 60 Total Awards: 1	Re: 1891 Lookup request ive had alot of problems tracing people due to discrepencies on the census details... also with family members renaming themselves. My grandads older sister died when she was 7 and he remembered "molly" turns out it was Mary F Bentley.... it took me ages to work that out!!! Could the name be anything else ?ie fathers name be something else. Even though he was a resident in southwark - was he born around that area do you know?

10-09-2008, 06:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
slizzy Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 16,246 Total Awards: 8	Re: 1891 Lookup request Hi Ixion, What does the marriage certificate state for his father's occupation? Were the witnesses family members'?

10-09-2008, 09:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ixion Committed Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Devon Posts: 57	Re: 1891 Lookup request Hi Good People, I think 'Light' has found a hot match. My surname is Powell as you probably figured. What I have not revealed is that the Male witness on the Marriage certificate is Charles John Robert Powell this must be the Charles J R Powell on 'light's' response surely? BTW William Green (the father) is shown as an Engineer on the Marriage cert. so I assume he must have been alive then, but this would make him at least 65 perhaps? This astonishing find also raises more questions ... "stepson"????? was his father really in attendance at the wedding? Did they divorce? For info William Edward Green changed his name to William Edwin Green on marriage to Edith Alexandra Tunbridge at Poplar in 1892. But at least now a 100 year old family mystery about the surname change can be laid to rest! Anyone fancy digging deeper on William Edward Green's father William?

10-09-2008, 09:29 PM	#7 (permalink)
Light AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2,199 Total Awards: 5	Re: 1891 Lookup request Hi Found this on Family Search... Born 15 NOV 1859 ..Father William John Green Mother Annie.. WILLIAM EDWARD GREEN Baptised, 11 FEB 1868 St Sepulchre, London, London, England It is an extracted record so you could look it up at your local LDS centre.. Last edited by Light; 10-09-2008 at 09:33 PM.
	Light Researching Winnard, Moore, Gregory, Fisher, Flavell, Leigh, Owens, Almond, King, Bradshaw, Taylor, Dodd, Jameson, Walls, Ryder, Coleman, Conroy, Gollagher, Rider.

11-09-2008, 12:29 AM	#8 (permalink)
David13 Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bucks Posts: 41	Re: 1891 Lookup request hi The Powell/Green family can be found at Surrey Row Christchurch in the 1871 (RG10 piece 594 folio 96 p 2) & 1881 census (RG11 0517/90-33) Head: Charles Powell, Wife: Mary A , She being 10 years his senior. in 1871 sons & daughters listed are Eliza A Green age 17, Edwin W Green age 11, Elizabeth M Powell age 7, Charlotte M Powell age 5, Chas J Powell age 2. Mary & Eliza born in Middlesex, all the rest in Surrey. In 1881 sons & daughters are William E Powell age 21, Charlotte Powell age 16, Chas J Powell age 12. In the IGI I found an Eliza Ann Green born nov 1854 to Jospeh & Mary Ann. I am not sure that the absence/presence of deceased against a father in a marriage certificate is particularly accurate, especially if it is a GRO copy. (Saw a report of 9 errors in 1 marriage record at the GRO) Hope this helps rather than confuse further. David P.S think I have found the Greens in 1861 in St George Southwark (RG09 piece 334 folio 1 page 1) Head William Tunbridge Unmarried 21 Mary Ann Green Widow age 34 Sister Eliza Ann Green age 8 Dau of sister Edwin Willm Green age 1 Son 2 servants and visitor Mary Ann Tunbridge age 59 The page is badly damaged and on FindMyPast the transcription is very poor Jun Quarter 1847 a Mary Ann Tunbridge married a Joseph Green in Camberwell. Last edited by David13; 11-09-2008 at 01:52 AM.
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