Thread: 1891-1901 Look Up Please.

Pauline1 · 15-08-2008, 08:40 PM

Hi,

I'm struggling a bit here I'm looking for Samuel Place born March Qrt 1849, he married Emily Jane Wade in June Qrt 1884 in Prestbury Cheshire.

Thanks

lozzie · 15-08-2008, 09:59 PM

Hi Pauline

Have you the certificate for the Marriage? Does it show Samuels' fathers' name?

Ive just had a quick look and on the 1891 there is a
Samuel Place born c1858 Henbury, Cheshire a Grocer
with wife
Emily J born c1845 Staffs
Living at 149 Charter Street Manchester

He consistently gives 1858 and Henbury as birth.

By 1901 he has a new wife
Amelia born c 1867 and a daughter Nellie aged 2.
they are living 132 Albion St, manchester and he is listed as Shopkeeper - Grocer

From earlier census his father is Joseph.

I can't see a Samuel born 1849 married to an Emily J

Good luck with your research

Loz

Starlight · 15-08-2008, 10:04 PM

Hi Pauline,

Have you definately got the right Samuel.

This is the following Samuel

Births Jun 1857
Place Samuel Macclesfield 8a150

Samuel Place
Age:33 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1858
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Emily J
Gender:Male
Where born:Henbury, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish:Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish:St Michael
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district:Manchester Sub registration district:St George ED, institution, or vessel:25 Neighbors:View others on page Household Members:NameAgeEmily J Place46 Samuel Place33

Annieb · 15-08-2008, 10:21 PM

Hi

I found exactly the same as Star and Loz: ie: the 1891 Samuel always indicates born Henbury c1858 :
1891: Manchester St Michaels, North Manchester, Lancashire
RG12 - Piece: 3247 - Folio 102 - pg 22
149 Charter Street (next door to a Butchers Shop)
Head: Samuel PLACE 33, Grocer, b Henbury Cheshire
Wife: Emily J PLACE 46, b Ipsbury (sic), Staffordshire

And to add - this looks like the wife of above Samuel Place:

http://www.bmsgh.org/cgi/birthind.cgi
BIRTH - Staffordshire BMD
1844 -Emily Jane WADE : Sub District: Ipstones - Registers are at: Staffordshire Moorlands

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
BIRTH: - FreeBMD
1844 Dec Qtr - Emily Jane WADE : Reg. District: Cheadle

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/cheadle.html
Ipstones is within the Cheadle Registration district.

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi
MARRIAGE - Cheshire BMD
1884 - Samuel PLACE and Emily Jane WADE at Prestbury St Peter - Registers are at Cheshire East

cheers
Annieb

Pauline1 · 15-08-2008, 10:41 PM

Hi Lozzie, starlight and Annie

The Samuel Place I have was aged 2 in the 1851 Census, his father was Elias and Martha.
Looking through the marriages on the Cheshire BMD Site I only found Samuel to Emily in 1884. Samuel being 35 then so possibly this was a second marriage

lozzie · 15-08-2008, 10:46 PM

Hi Pauline

I think the Samuel who married Emily J was adifferant one to yours.

Samuel who married Emily...his father was Joseph

Maybe your Samuel had died earlier??

Good Luck with your research

Loz

Pauline1 · 15-08-2008, 10:52 PM

Hi Lozzie

Well that settles that bit of confusion then, one less ancestor to find

Thanks Lozzie

and thankyou to starlight and AnnieB for your replies

slizzy · 16-08-2008, 12:43 AM

Hi Pauline,

Here he is in 1861.

Name: Samuel Place Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: MacClesfield, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Fazakerley County/Island: Lancashire Country: England

John Place 34 Mary Place 40 Samuel Place 12

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And 1871...........the original sheet does look like PLACE not RACE.

Name: Samuel Race Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: MacClesfield, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: MacClesfield Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael County/Island: Cheshire Country: England
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A possible death.

Samuel Place, 4th qrt 1878, Macclesfield. Estimated birth year 1852?

Vol 8a page 105

Pauline1 · 16-08-2008, 02:39 PM

Hi slizzy.

Thankyou for the info. I found a death of Samuel in West MacClesfield in 1878 aged 26 on the Cheshire BMD Site. So obviously born about 1852. I just can't make out how he could be 2 years old on the 1851 Census

15-08-2008, 08:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
Pauline1 AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nottingham UK Posts: 1,317 Total Awards: 4	1891-1901 Look Up Please. Hi, I'm struggling a bit here I'm looking for Samuel Place born March Qrt 1849, he married Emily Jane Wade in June Qrt 1884 in Prestbury Cheshire. Thanks
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15-08-2008, 09:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
lozzie AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: At Home Posts: 2,236 Total Awards: 3	Re: 1891-1901 Look Up Please. Hi Pauline Have you the certificate for the Marriage? Does it show Samuels' fathers' name? Ive just had a quick look and on the 1891 there is a Samuel Place born c1858 Henbury, Cheshire a Grocer with wife Emily J born c1845 Staffs Living at 149 Charter Street Manchester He consistently gives 1858 and Henbury as birth. By 1901 he has a new wife Amelia born c 1867 and a daughter Nellie aged 2. they are living 132 Albion St, manchester and he is listed as Shopkeeper - Grocer From earlier census his father is Joseph. I can't see a Samuel born 1849 married to an Emily J Good luck with your research Loz
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15-08-2008, 10:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
Starlight Ancestry Aid Manager Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: South Essex Posts: 15,751 Total Awards: 8	Re: 1891-1901 Look Up Please. Hi Pauline, Have you definately got the right Samuel. This is the following Samuel Births Jun 1857 Place Samuel Macclesfield 8a150 Samuel Place Age:33 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1858 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Emily J Gender:Male Where born:Henbury, Cheshire, England Civil Parish:Manchester Ecclesiastical parish:St Michael County/Island:Lancashire Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Registration district:Manchester Sub registration district:St George ED, institution, or vessel:25 Neighbors:View others on page Household Members:NameAgeEmily J Place46 Samuel Place33
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15-08-2008, 10:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
Annieb Regular Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 43 Total Awards: 1	Re: 1891-1901 Look Up Please. Hi I found exactly the same as Star and Loz: ie: the 1891 Samuel always indicates born Henbury c1858 : 1891: Manchester St Michaels, North Manchester, Lancashire RG12 - Piece: 3247 - Folio 102 - pg 22 149 Charter Street (next door to a Butchers Shop) Head: Samuel PLACE 33, Grocer, b Henbury Cheshire Wife: Emily J PLACE 46, b Ipsbury (sic), Staffordshire And to add - this looks like the wife of above Samuel Place: http://www.bmsgh.org/cgi/birthind.cgi BIRTH - Staffordshire BMD 1844 -Emily Jane WADE : Sub District: Ipstones - Registers are at: Staffordshire Moorlands http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl BIRTH: - FreeBMD 1844 Dec Qtr - Emily Jane WADE : Reg. District: Cheadle http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/cheadle.html Ipstones is within the Cheadle Registration district. http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi MARRIAGE - Cheshire BMD 1884 - Samuel PLACE and Emily Jane WADE at Prestbury St Peter - Registers are at Cheshire East cheers Annieb Last edited by Annieb; 15-08-2008 at 10:30 PM.
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15-08-2008, 10:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
Pauline1 AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nottingham UK Posts: 1,317 Total Awards: 4	Re: 1891-1901 Look Up Please. Hi Lozzie, starlight and Annie The Samuel Place I have was aged 2 in the 1851 Census, his father was Elias and Martha. Looking through the marriages on the Cheshire BMD Site I only found Samuel to Emily in 1884. Samuel being 35 then so possibly this was a second marriage
	Researching! Beswick Staffordshire-Cheshire Hulme's and Heathcotes Cheshire & Lancs and Hatton's of Cheshire

15-08-2008, 10:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
lozzie AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: At Home Posts: 2,236 Total Awards: 3	Re: 1891-1901 Look Up Please. Hi Pauline I think the Samuel who married Emily J was adifferant one to yours. Samuel who married Emily...his father was Joseph Maybe your Samuel had died earlier?? Good Luck with your research Loz
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15-08-2008, 10:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
Pauline1 AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nottingham UK Posts: 1,317 Total Awards: 4	Re: 1891-1901 Look Up Please. Hi Lozzie Well that settles that bit of confusion then, one less ancestor to find Thanks Lozzie and thankyou to starlight and AnnieB for your replies Last edited by Pauline1; 15-08-2008 at 11:03 PM.
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16-08-2008, 12:43 AM	#8 (permalink)
slizzy Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 15,402 Total Awards: 8	Re: 1891-1901 Look Up Please. Hi Pauline, Here he is in 1861. Name: Samuel Place Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: MacClesfield, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Fazakerley County/Island: Lancashire Country: England John Place 34 Mary Place 40 Samuel Place 12 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And 1871...........the original sheet does look like PLACE not RACE. Name: Samuel Race Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: MacClesfield, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: MacClesfield Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael County/Island: Cheshire Country: England ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A possible death. Samuel Place, 4th qrt 1878, Macclesfield. Estimated birth year 1852? Vol 8a page 105 Last edited by slizzy; 16-08-2008 at 12:57 AM.

16-08-2008, 02:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
Pauline1 AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nottingham UK Posts: 1,317 Total Awards: 4	Re: 1891-1901 Look Up Please. Hi slizzy. Thankyou for the info. I found a death of Samuel in West MacClesfield in 1878 aged 26 on the Cheshire BMD Site. So obviously born about 1852. I just can't make out how he could be 2 years old on the 1851 Census
	Researching! Beswick Staffordshire-Cheshire Hulme's and Heathcotes Cheshire & Lancs and Hatton's of Cheshire