Thread: Gouldings of Liverpool

slizzy · 01-08-2008, 06:58 PM

Hi Billy,

Finding Margaret Norton is proving difficult. I think she must have been married to a Norton, not born Norton. You will have to buy the certificate for her marriage to Thomas Goulding to get any further back with her. The certificate would give her marital status ie. spinster, or widow, it would also give her father's name.

I have theory that she was married to Joseph Norton who died in Jul-Sept qrt 1894 West Derby, unfortunately this is only a theory........no proof without her marriage cert to Thomas.

slizzy · 01-08-2008, 07:17 PM

Moving on to the Swales'

This would appear to be Mary and Elizabeth in 1851.........Elizabeth's age doesn't match however with the1861?

Name: Mary Swales Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Doncaster, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England

Margaret Ruley/46/lodger
Elizabeth Swales/16/dau/shirt maker/Sheffield
Mary Swales/39/head/shirt maker/Doncaster

1851 Emma?

Name: Emma Swales Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Sheffield

Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban County/Island: Lancashire Country: England

slizzy · 01-08-2008, 07:27 PM

Mary Swales in 1881.

Name: Mary Swales Age: 67 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: Doncaster

Civil Parish: Everton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England

Street address: 24 Prince Edwin Lane Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)

Ellen Sherman 53 James Sherman 48 Mary Swales 67

slizzy · 01-08-2008, 07:29 PM

This could be the Swales in 1841, but again the ages don't match with other census.

Name: Mary Swales Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Gender: Female Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Sheffield Hundred: Strafforth and Tickhill (South Division) County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

View Image

Registration district: Sheffield Sub registration district: Sheffield NorthEliza Swales 7 Emma Swales 9 John Swales 1 Mary Swales 30 Mary Swales 5 Sarah Swales 4 Wm Swales 25

slizzy · 27-08-2008, 12:30 AM

Hi Billy,

This is the only Annie Thompson with parents' James and Annie which I can find. This James' occupation is a labourer at ship builders. Also this Annie was born 1899-1900, what do you think? Maybe your aunt can say whether Annie had a sister Margaret? All were born Liverpool.

Name: Annie Thompson Age: 3 months Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Annie Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Toxteth Park Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement County/Island: Lancashire Country: EnglandRegistration district: Toxteth Park Sub registration district: Toxteth Park
Annie Thompso 20 Annie Thompson 3 months James Thompson 24 Margaret Thompson 2

slizzy · 27-08-2008, 12:36 AM

Marriages Liverpool Apr-Jun 1898.

Annie Sumner and on the same page James Thompson.

Ref - Vol 8b, page 51.

slizzy · 27-08-2008, 01:01 AM

1891. All born Liverpool except Belinda - Ireland. James was an engine fitter.

Name: Belinda Sumner Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Maules Gender: Female Where born: Sligo, Ireland

Civil Parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: St Chad Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: EnglandRegistration district: West Derby Sub registration district: North Everton
Annie Sumner 9 Belinda Sumner 40 Charles Sumner 13 Helena Sumner 7 James Sumner 16 James Maules ?Sumner 40 John Sumner 15

Bedtime now Billy, I'll take a further look tomorrow.

Bill@fslife · 27-08-2008, 02:33 PM

Hi Slizzy, thanks for getting back to me and I hope you had a good sleep. As regards Annie Thompson, that is probably the correct one that you have found. According to her two daughters she was born 1900; but do remember their mother saying that she was a year older than they thought!!! So she may have been born in 1899.

The strange thing is the ages on the marriage certificate,w hich states that she was 19 in 1917? Still I suppose the Vicar was hard of hearing!

Annie sisters were named: Ellen 1907 -1995, Emily 1910 - 1996 and a brother named Victor Fredrick 1916- 1973.

The Margaret I was refering to in my message was Margaret Norton who was married to my gtgrandfather Thomas Goulding.

In respect of Annie Sumner, I received an email from a Sumner living in S.E. Essex that there are a family of Sumners who have lived in Much Hoole, Lancashire. I believe since 1600's.
I will let you have the details of his email later.

Thanks again Slizzy,
Billy

slizzy · 28-08-2008, 12:55 AM

Hi Billy,

Hope all's well your end and family ok

It will be Friday at the earliest before I'm able to continue with the search. I've got internet connection problems AGAIN! I am not always able to connect, and when I can connect I can only access web pages from one tab, therefore I cannot look up details on the census' etc and also place an answer on here. Tommorow is a family day..........so no chance to sort things out, Friday I intend calling my isp and hopefully they'll get me running to full service Hope to be back on your searches presto

Take care, speak soon.

Bill@fslife · 28-08-2008, 03:46 PM

Hello Slizzy, Thanks for getting back to me don't worry about the research, hope your internets sorted out soon for your sake. Me and the family are ok, thanks.

Enjoy your family day and will speak soon.

Best wishes,
Billy

01-08-2008, 06:58 PM	#31 (permalink)
slizzy Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 16,246 Total Awards: 8	Re: Gouldings of Liverpool Hi Billy, Finding Margaret Norton is proving difficult. I think she must have been married to a Norton, not born Norton. You will have to buy the certificate for her marriage to Thomas Goulding to get any further back with her. The certificate would give her marital status ie. spinster, or widow, it would also give her father's name. I have theory that she was married to Joseph Norton who died in Jul-Sept qrt 1894 West Derby, unfortunately this is only a theory........no proof without her marriage cert to Thomas.

01-08-2008, 07:17 PM	#32 (permalink)
slizzy Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 16,246 Total Awards: 8	Re: Gouldings of Liverpool Moving on to the Swales' This would appear to be Mary and Elizabeth in 1851.........Elizabeth's age doesn't match however with the1861? Name: Mary Swales Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Doncaster, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Margaret Ruley/46/lodger Elizabeth Swales/16/dau/shirt maker/Sheffield Mary Swales/39/head/shirt maker/Doncaster 1851 Emma? Name: Emma Swales Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Sheffield Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Last edited by slizzy; 01-08-2008 at 07:36 PM.

01-08-2008, 07:27 PM	#33 (permalink)
slizzy Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 16,246 Total Awards: 8	Re: Gouldings of Liverpool Mary Swales in 1881. Name: Mary Swales Age: 67 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: Doncaster Civil Parish: Everton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 24 Prince Edwin Lane Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower) Ellen Sherman 53 James Sherman 48 Mary Swales 67

01-08-2008, 07:29 PM	#34 (permalink)
slizzy Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 16,246 Total Awards: 8	Re: Gouldings of Liverpool This could be the Swales in 1841, but again the ages don't match with other census. Name: Mary Swales Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Gender: Female Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Sheffield Hundred: Strafforth and Tickhill (South Division) County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View Image Registration district: Sheffield Sub registration district: Sheffield NorthEliza Swales 7 Emma Swales 9 John Swales 1 Mary Swales 30 Mary Swales 5 Sarah Swales 4 Wm Swales 25

27-08-2008, 12:30 AM	#35 (permalink)
slizzy Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 16,246 Total Awards: 8	Re: Gouldings of Liverpool Hi Billy, This is the only Annie Thompson with parents' James and Annie which I can find. This James' occupation is a labourer at ship builders. Also this Annie was born 1899-1900, what do you think? Maybe your aunt can say whether Annie had a sister Margaret? All were born Liverpool. Name: Annie Thompson Age: 3 months Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Annie Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Toxteth Park Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement County/Island: Lancashire Country: EnglandRegistration district: Toxteth Park Sub registration district: Toxteth Park Annie Thompso 20 Annie Thompson 3 months James Thompson 24 Margaret Thompson 2

27-08-2008, 12:36 AM	#36 (permalink)
slizzy Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 16,246 Total Awards: 8	Re: Gouldings of Liverpool Marriages Liverpool Apr-Jun 1898. Annie Sumner and on the same page James Thompson. Ref - Vol 8b, page 51.

27-08-2008, 01:01 AM	#37 (permalink)
slizzy Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 16,246 Total Awards: 8	Re: Gouldings of Liverpool 1891. All born Liverpool except Belinda - Ireland. James was an engine fitter. Name: Belinda Sumner Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Maules Gender: Female Where born: Sligo, Ireland Civil Parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: St Chad Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: EnglandRegistration district: West Derby Sub registration district: North Everton Annie Sumner 9 Belinda Sumner 40 Charles Sumner 13 Helena Sumner 7 James Sumner 16 James Maules ?Sumner 40 John Sumner 15 Bedtime now Billy, I'll take a further look tomorrow.

27-08-2008, 02:33 PM	#38 (permalink)
Bill@fslife AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,684 Total Awards: 5	Re: Gouldings of Liverpool Hi Slizzy, thanks for getting back to me and I hope you had a good sleep. As regards Annie Thompson, that is probably the correct one that you have found. According to her two daughters she was born 1900; but do remember their mother saying that she was a year older than they thought!!! So she may have been born in 1899. The strange thing is the ages on the marriage certificate,w hich states that she was 19 in 1917? Still I suppose the Vicar was hard of hearing! Annie sisters were named: Ellen 1907 -1995, Emily 1910 - 1996 and a brother named Victor Fredrick 1916- 1973. The Margaret I was refering to in my message was Margaret Norton who was married to my gtgrandfather Thomas Goulding. In respect of Annie Sumner, I received an email from a Sumner living in S.E. Essex that there are a family of Sumners who have lived in Much Hoole, Lancashire. I believe since 1600's. I will let you have the details of his email later. Thanks again Slizzy, Billy
	Biljo... Researching, Goulding, Maguire, Thompson, Lennon, Treanor, Sumner and more.

28-08-2008, 12:55 AM	#39 (permalink)
slizzy Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 16,246 Total Awards: 8	Re: Gouldings of Liverpool Hi Billy, Hope all's well your end and family ok It will be Friday at the earliest before I'm able to continue with the search. I've got internet connection problems AGAIN! I am not always able to connect, and when I can connect I can only access web pages from one tab, therefore I cannot look up details on the census' etc and also place an answer on here. Tommorow is a family day..........so no chance to sort things out, Friday I intend calling my isp and hopefully they'll get me running to full service Hope to be back on your searches presto Take care, speak soon.

28-08-2008, 03:46 PM	#40 (permalink)
Bill@fslife AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,684 Total Awards: 5	Re: Gouldings of Liverpool Hello Slizzy, Thanks for getting back to me don't worry about the research, hope your internets sorted out soon for your sake. Me and the family are ok, thanks. Enjoy your family day and will speak soon. Best wishes, Billy
	Biljo... Researching, Goulding, Maguire, Thompson, Lennon, Treanor, Sumner and more.