Thread: William Henry Palmer b abt 1857

calmar · 13-07-2008, 10:26 AM

Can anyone please help to locate the above.

He married Ada Hollamby in Pancras in 1877. They had 3 children, all born Kentish Town. Jane born 1879, Frank born 1875 and Henry born 1887.

On the census from 1881 he is not living with Ada and children. Ada is shown as married on census up to 1901. By 1891 the children ar living with an uncle in Ecclesall Bierlow then mother Ada joins them in 1901.

In 1901 Jane married Henry Woodruffe in Ecclesall Bierlow and on her certificate is gives her father as deceased, Commercial Traveller. Frank married Cissie Vernon about the same time and place. Looks ike a double wedding.

Kind regards,

Calmar

Notebook · 13-07-2008, 12:34 PM

Hello Calmar,

A few questions. Do you have the marriage certificate of Ada Hollamby and William Henry Palmer and, do you have at least one birth certificate or baptism entry for any of their children Jane, Frank and Henry? On Jane's marriage to Henry Woodruffe and Frank's marriage to Cissie Vernon, does it give their father's name or just deceased?

I've located Ada Hollamby/Palmer on all the censuses, but on the 1891 census Ada Par(l)mer is living with her widowed mother Elizabeth Hollamby and Ada is listed as Single.

I'm asking these questions as I've had a similar situation where the mother wasn't actually married to the person she said she was.

Notebook

calmar · 13-07-2008, 12:43 PM

Hi Notebook,

I have the actual marriage certificate for Jane to Henry Woodruffe, as Henry is one of my direct decendants. It gives her fathers name as William Henry Palmer, deceased.

I haven't looked for her birth entry yet or any other of the other children. Just starting on this family with marriage certificate for Jane. Will go an have a look for it now!

I too have a similar situation with my great grandfather not actually being married to his wife and then going on to marry defintely someone else!!

Calmar

slizzy · 13-07-2008, 10:17 PM

Hi Calmar,

I wonder, could this be him? Wrong age, right occupation and marital status.

Name: William H. Palmer Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Brother Gender: Male Where born: St Martins, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England

Street address: 29 Stangate Condition as to marriage: Married Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: Commercial Travel Unemployed

Registration district: Lambeth Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First

Rosey Butterfield/15/servant
Adeliza Jones/49/sister in law/widow/Kennington
Ada E. Palmer/29/wife/Lambeth
Edwin J. Palmer/34/head/house painter/St Martins
Edwin T. Palmer/10mnths/son/Kent
Georgia Palmer/5/son/Kensington
Ivy F. Palmer/3/dau/Poplar
William H. Palmer/40/brother/St Martins
Phoebe Young/17/servant

calmar · 14-07-2008, 10:31 AM

Hi Slizzy,

Thank you for that info.

I will try and find him on other census and see what else it shows for him.

It does seem strange that this couple are not together on any of the census!

Perhaps his death might gives us a clue.

Regards,

Calmar

13-07-2008, 10:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
calmar Committed Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 72	William Henry Palmer b abt 1857 Can anyone please help to locate the above. He married Ada Hollamby in Pancras in 1877. They had 3 children, all born Kentish Town. Jane born 1879, Frank born 1875 and Henry born 1887. On the census from 1881 he is not living with Ada and children. Ada is shown as married on census up to 1901. By 1891 the children ar living with an uncle in Ecclesall Bierlow then mother Ada joins them in 1901. In 1901 Jane married Henry Woodruffe in Ecclesall Bierlow and on her certificate is gives her father as deceased, Commercial Traveller. Frank married Cissie Vernon about the same time and place. Looks ike a double wedding. Kind regards, Calmar
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13-07-2008, 12:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
Notebook AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: West Midlands Posts: 121 Total Awards: 2	Re: William Henry Palmer b abt 1857 Hello Calmar, A few questions. Do you have the marriage certificate of Ada Hollamby and William Henry Palmer and, do you have at least one birth certificate or baptism entry for any of their children Jane, Frank and Henry? On Jane's marriage to Henry Woodruffe and Frank's marriage to Cissie Vernon, does it give their father's name or just deceased? I've located Ada Hollamby/Palmer on all the censuses, but on the 1891 census Ada Par(l)mer is living with her widowed mother Elizabeth Hollamby and Ada is listed as Single. I'm asking these questions as I've had a similar situation where the mother wasn't actually married to the person she said she was. Notebook

13-07-2008, 12:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
calmar Committed Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 72	Re: William Henry Palmer b abt 1857 Hi Notebook, I have the actual marriage certificate for Jane to Henry Woodruffe, as Henry is one of my direct decendants. It gives her fathers name as William Henry Palmer, deceased. I haven't looked for her birth entry yet or any other of the other children. Just starting on this family with marriage certificate for Jane. Will go an have a look for it now! I too have a similar situation with my great grandfather not actually being married to his wife and then going on to marry defintely someone else!! Calmar Last edited by calmar; 13-07-2008 at 01:37 PM.
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13-07-2008, 10:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
slizzy Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 16,230 Total Awards: 8	Re: William Henry Palmer b abt 1857 Hi Calmar, I wonder, could this be him? Wrong age, right occupation and marital status. Name: William H. Palmer Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Brother Gender: Male Where born: St Martins, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 29 Stangate Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View Image Occupation: Commercial Travel Unemployed Registration district: Lambeth Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First Rosey Butterfield/15/servant Adeliza Jones/49/sister in law/widow/Kennington Ada E. Palmer/29/wife/Lambeth Edwin J. Palmer/34/head/house painter/St Martins Edwin T. Palmer/10mnths/son/Kent Georgia Palmer/5/son/Kensington Ivy F. Palmer/3/dau/Poplar William H. Palmer/40/brother/St Martins Phoebe Young/17/servant

14-07-2008, 10:31 AM	#5 (permalink)
calmar Committed Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 72	Re: William Henry Palmer b abt 1857 Hi Slizzy, Thank you for that info. I will try and find him on other census and see what else it shows for him. It does seem strange that this couple are not together on any of the census! Perhaps his death might gives us a clue. Regards, Calmar
calmar Committed Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 72