Thread: LOUISA SAVAGE/GATES

lady caroline · 19-01-2008, 03:55 PM

(I AM AN ONLY CHILD AND MY FATHER HAS BEEN DECEASED SINCE 1974).
I REMEMBERED AS A CHILD WHEN MY FATHER HAD ENQUIRED ABOUT TAKING OUT SOME LIFE INSURANCE FOR HIMSELF AND AN INSURANCE AGENT CAME TO THE HOUSE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THEY ASKED HIM WAS HIS OWN PARENTS" CAUSE OF DEATH", AND I VAUGELY REMEMBERED HIM SAYING "MY MOTHER WAS MURDERED".

I KNEW NOTHING MORE ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF HER DEATH, BUT WHAT I DID HAVE WAS A BOOK OF LONGFELLOW POETRY THAT HAD BEEN PASSED ONTO ME WHEN MY FATHER DIED, HE HAD CARRIED IT WITH HIM THROUGHT WW11. IT HAD BEEN GIVEN TO HIS MOTHER FROM HER SCHOOL AS A CHILD, IT HAD HER NAME LOUISA SAVAGE AND THE DATE AND PLACE IT WAS GIVEN. I ALSO KNEW THAT SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED TO MY GRANDFATHER ROBERT GATES, AND THAT THEY HAD LIVED IN WALWORTH IN LONDON.

BUT WHERE COULD I BEGIN! --- I PUT A NOTICE ON GR AND ASKED FOR ANY HELP TO TRACE THE DATE OF BIRTH OF A LOUISA SAVAGE, AND ALSO THE DATE OF HER DEATH THAT I WAS TOLD HAD OCCURRED WHEN MY DAD WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS OF AGE. I WAS TOLD THE YEAR OF HER DEATH TO HAVE BEEN 1918.
I RECEIVED REPLIES FROM A FEW PEOPLE AND THEY MANAGED TO HELP ME TRACE HER DATE OF BIRTH 1895 AND ALSO THE DATE OF DEATH 1918. THEY IN TURN ADVISED HOW TO APPLY FOR COPIES OF HER DEATH CERTIFICATE.

I APPLIED FOR A COPY OF HER DEATH CERTIICATE AND FROM THAT I FOUND THE CAUSE OF DEATH WAS MURDER BY PERSON OR PERSONS UNKNOWN, (SHE WAS 23 YEARS OF AGE).

I THEN TRIED TO OBTAIN COPIES OF LOUISA’S INQUEST, THE FUNNY THING WAS AS I WAS TOLD BY BERKSHIRE RECORDS OFFICE (WHERE I FOUND HER DEATH HAD OCCURED) THAT MOST INQUEST REPORTS BEFORE 1930 HAD BEEN DESTROYED AND THIS ONE WAS THE ONLY ONE REMAINING.
I OBTAINED COPIES, AND ALSO NEWSPAPER REPORTS OF THE TIME, RECORDING THAT THERE HAD BEEN TWO INQUESTS, EVIDENCE FROM THE POLICE AND WITNESS REPORTS, AND WITNESS STATEMENTS.
I LATER FOUND THAT SHE HAD 2 CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 4)... WILLIAM, MY FATHER BEING THE YOUNGEST, AND GEORGE HIS BROTHER 2 YEARS OLDER.

(I had never heard of George until reading the inquest report.)

lady caroline · 19-01-2008, 03:57 PM

I FOUND THAT ON THE DAY OF HER DISAPPERENCE SHE HAD TRAVELLED BY TRAIN TO SUNNINGDALE IN BERKSHIRE TO MEET AN AMERICAN WHO WAS STATIONED IN THE UK WITH THE CANADIAN EXPERDITIONARY FORCE.
(Louisa’s husband my grandfather was away serving in the war.)
AND ON THAT DAY SUNDAY 18TH AUGUST 1918 WHEN SHE FAILED TO RETURN TO HER ROOMS, HIS MOTHER AND HER AUNT WENT TO HER ROOMS AND FOUND A LETTER ADDRESSED " DEAR LOUIE", ARRANGING A MEETING AT SUNNINGDALE TRAIN STATION FROM A SERVICEMAN IN THE CANADIAN ARMY NAMED VANCE.

HER BODY WAS FOUND FIVE WEEKS LATER BY A FARM LABOURER WHO WAS CUTTING FERN; IT WAS IN A WOOD ON THE CHARTERS ESTATE. THE WOOD WAS ENCLOSED ON THE ROAD SIDE BY A WOODEN FENCE ON THE LAND SIDE IT WAS OPEN, THE BODY COULD NOT BE SEEN FROM THE ROAD,

VANCE WAS QUESTIONED BY THE POLICE BUT SAID IN HIS STATEMENT "HE HAD ARRIVED LATE AT THE STATION AND THAT LOUISA WAS NOT THERE SO HE LEFT".

LOUISA WAS FOUND IN A WOODED AREA LESS THAN ONE MILE FROM THE STATION—SHE HAD BEEN GAGGED WITH HER HANDKERCHIEF AND STRANGLED WITH HER OWN MACKINTOSH BELT, HER HANDBAG WAS MISSING. (Valuable items of jewellery were still with the body)
THE POSTMORTEM EXAMINATION WAS CARRIED OUT IN THE OUTHOUSE AJOINING THE "NAG’S HEAD" PUBLIC HOUSE (by Robert Donaldson MD)
Pathologist at the Royal Berkshire Hospital.
VANCE TOLD THE POLICE THAT AS SHE HAD FAILED TO MEET HIM ON THE DATE IN QUESTION AND THAT HE DID NOT TRY TO CORRESPOND OR MAKE ANY OTHER CONTACT WITH HER.
A PERSON NAMED EMMA GAGNON A FRIEND OF LOUISA ALSO GAVE
EVIDENCE, "SAYING THAT LOUISA HAD VISITED HER HOUSE IN SUNNINGDALE ON PREVIOUS OCCASSIONS AND THE ONLY VISITOR SHE HAD WHILE AT THIS FRIEND’S WAS VANCE.
EMMA SAID SHE HAD TOLD LOUISA THAT HER HUSBAND OBJECTED TO
THESE MEETINGS AND THAT SHE WAS NOT TO MEET HIM THERE AGAIN.
THE POLICE NOTES SAY VANCE WAS A SUSPECT AND THAT THEY HAD MET AT SUNNIGDALE ON PREVIOUS OCCASIONS BUT I EXPECT THAT AS IT WAS SOME FIVE WEEKS BETWEEN THE DATE OF DEATH AND THE BODY BEING FOUND THE POLICE EVIDENCE WAS NOT ABLE TO SHOW VANCE AS COMMITING THE MURDER, AND DNA MATCHING WAS NOT AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME.
(Whether it was Vance or a passing stranger who had committed the murder is not known)

WITNESSES
Body Found by Joseph Chandler farm labourer.
Dr.Chas.M. Wildridge
Supt. Jannaway.
Inspector Simmons.
Margaret Lilian Silvester.
Vance N******.

LESS THAN ONE YEAR LATER IN 1919 VANCE TOOK A YOUNG BERKSHIRE BRIDE WITH HIM TO THE USA, HE DIED THERE IN 1962

Vance N******, spouse Florence P*****
March 1919, married at Maidenhead Berks.
SO THE MURDERER IS UNKNOWN! BUT WITH THE HELP OF OTHERS
I HAVE MANAGED TO TRACE THESE DETAILS OF THE GRANDMOTHER-
I NEVER HAD.
I HAVE TRIED BUT WAS UNSUCCESFUL IN TRACING WHAT HAPPENED TO HER BODY! I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO KNOW IF OR WHERE SHE HAD BEEN BURIED.
RE: THE ELDEST CHILD WHO WAS IN A SANITORIUM!, (AND WAS NEVER FOUND BY MY DAD) NOTHING FURTHER IS KNOWN.

HIS FATHER (my grandfather) WENT ON TO REMARRY AND HAVE OTHER CHILDREN.
MY MOTHER SAID MY DAD HAD TRIED TO TRACE HIS OLDER BROTHER HE HAD PLACED NEWSPAPER ADVERTS TO FIND HIM BUT TO NO AVAIL.
I DID A TRACE AND FOUND A MAN THE CORRECT NAME WHO HAD BEEN BORN IN SOUTHWARK IN 1914 HAD DIED IN TRURO IN 1992.
WAS THIS HIM!
I will further enquires and carry on with my search.
UPDATE
SINCE WRITING THE ABOVE I HAVE FOUND A SITE CALLED FAMILY HISTORY ONLINE AND SAW REGISTERED UNDER DEATHS: LOUISA GATES, HOLY TRINITY, SUNNINGDALE.
I CONTACTED THEM AND THEIR REPLY IS BELOW:

lady caroline · 19-01-2008, 03:59 PM

Dear Carol
Many thanks for your messages – what an extraordinary story.
I have been to look at our records and we do indeed have something:
Louisa Gates aged 23 years of Walworth was buried in the churchyard. It says that there was an inquest. There is a grave space but I am not sure how successful a search would be for a stone there.
If you would like to make a visit sometime and come to see the records for yourself and take a look at the churchyard, that would be very possible. Just give me a call.
With all good wishes, as ever,
David
The Vicarage
Holy Trinity
Sunningdale
Ascot
SL5 0PD
With a slow and noiseless footstep
Comes that messenger divine,
Takes the vacant chair beside me,
Lays her gentle hand in mine.
And she sits and gazes at me
With those deep and tender eyes,
Like the stars, so still and saint-like,
Looking downward from the skies.
Uttered not, yet comprehended,
Is the spirit's voiceless prayer,
Soft rebukes, in blessings ended,
Breathing from her lips of air.
Oh, though oft depressed and lonely,
Al l my fears are laid aside,
If I but remember only
Such as these have lived and died!
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

UPDATE
Hi carol
Albert & Charles Gates are my uncles and also your father’s uncles. Your father is my half-brother and you are my niece. Your grandfather is William Robert gates, brother of Albert and Charlie. I would like to hear from you, my e-mail is………

I received this message to-day from Genes Reunited this is a son Alfred Gates from My Grandfathers second Marriage.

12/10/2005.
From Alfred,
I believe that when the tragic event of their Mothers death occurred, my father was sent home from France and George and William (Bill) went to live with their Grand parents. This is an assumption, but they never lived with us. After the War Bill came home from the Army and stayed with us for a while but I'm not sure what happened after that.

UPDATE
I have now received the death certificate for George William Gates, I find he was a retired engineer, his date of death was May 1992, he died at The Royal Cornwall Hospital, Truro and his death was registered by his Grandson Mark Allen who at the time was living in South Street, Redruth.
Wouldn’t my dad have been overjoyed to have found him or any of these details about his?
missing brother. (how happy and sad I feel)
I am now trying to find Mark Allen as I believe we would be 1st Cousins.
I have been searching for a year, left messages on various website and with Friends
Reunited, still cannot find Mark.
At last a break through, someone has contacted me and told me that George Married a Doris Nicholls in 1939 and that they had a daughter Yvonne, don’t know if this info is
Correct will try to send for Marriage Cert for George and Doris.
2/06/2006 still waiting for Marriage Cert but have now been sent an address for Yvonne, will try to make contact.
Since this all started I have now found relatives in the USA and Family History
Of Louisa’s Savage (Gates) ancestors back to 1557 my search still continues………….
Have now found reference to marriage for George Gates to Doris Nicholls at Redruth 3rd Quarter 1939 (july,aug,sept).
A daughter Yvonne to George and Doris 1st Quarter 1940 (jan,feb,mar).
A marriage for Yvonne Gates to Samuel R Allen 1964 1st Quarter (jan,feb,mar) at Penzance.
A son Mark Allen to Yvonne and Samuel 3rd Quarter 1964 (july,aug,sept)
All I need now is to find Mark or an address for Yvonne, I have been given an address to try for Yvonne, it's in Cornwall and I will write to-day 5th June 06.
14th June a letter has come from Yvonne I am overjoyed, she tells a bit about her dad and his life, mentioning that he said he had a brother and a step-mother and that he had a bad accident as a child and lost part of the front of his leg and knee, the leg was in traction for a long time and failed to grow he spent years in the converlescent home and the one leg was shorter than the other, Yvonne went on to say that George thought that there was no future for him in London and he made his way down to Cornwall.
George could do most things he rode a bike with one pedal and played cricket and loved
playing and watching snooker.
Yvonne also has a brother Roger he is Ten years younger (I wonder if she has told him about my letter).
Mark is living in Clevelays (just outside Blackpool) .
Yvonne has given me Mark's address, I will drop him a line.
I now know I have real relatives of my Dad the first ones I have found, I have sent Yvonne a picture of my mum and dad and a copy of our dad's family history, it is only with the help of members of Genes Reunited that I have managed to find all these details, without them I would still be alone.

lozzie · 21-02-2008, 11:52 PM

Hi Carol

I've just read your story...unbelievable......it is so tinged with sadness...yet you have made contacts that your father never knew

A silent tear fell from my face as I read through it

I hope you make, and keep, contact with the family your father never knew

take care

good luck

Loz

nanna · 22-02-2008, 09:43 AM

Hi Carol,
I read your story when you first posted and my what a story. Have just read all the updates and I'm so glad you have finally found your Father's family. Enjoy your new found relatives and like Lozz says, hang on to them, take care.

Nanna

19-01-2008, 03:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
lady caroline New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: At the top of a hill in Dulwich London, from which I can see Houses o Posts: 5	LOUISA SAVAGE/GATES (I AM AN ONLY CHILD AND MY FATHER HAS BEEN DECEASED SINCE 1974). I REMEMBERED AS A CHILD WHEN MY FATHER HAD ENQUIRED ABOUT TAKING OUT SOME LIFE INSURANCE FOR HIMSELF AND AN INSURANCE AGENT CAME TO THE HOUSE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THEY ASKED HIM WAS HIS OWN PARENTS" CAUSE OF DEATH", AND I VAUGELY REMEMBERED HIM SAYING "MY MOTHER WAS MURDERED". I KNEW NOTHING MORE ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF HER DEATH, BUT WHAT I DID HAVE WAS A BOOK OF LONGFELLOW POETRY THAT HAD BEEN PASSED ONTO ME WHEN MY FATHER DIED, HE HAD CARRIED IT WITH HIM THROUGHT WW11. IT HAD BEEN GIVEN TO HIS MOTHER FROM HER SCHOOL AS A CHILD, IT HAD HER NAME LOUISA SAVAGE AND THE DATE AND PLACE IT WAS GIVEN. I ALSO KNEW THAT SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED TO MY GRANDFATHER ROBERT GATES, AND THAT THEY HAD LIVED IN WALWORTH IN LONDON. BUT WHERE COULD I BEGIN! --- I PUT A NOTICE ON GR AND ASKED FOR ANY HELP TO TRACE THE DATE OF BIRTH OF A LOUISA SAVAGE, AND ALSO THE DATE OF HER DEATH THAT I WAS TOLD HAD OCCURRED WHEN MY DAD WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS OF AGE. I WAS TOLD THE YEAR OF HER DEATH TO HAVE BEEN 1918. I RECEIVED REPLIES FROM A FEW PEOPLE AND THEY MANAGED TO HELP ME TRACE HER DATE OF BIRTH 1895 AND ALSO THE DATE OF DEATH 1918. THEY IN TURN ADVISED HOW TO APPLY FOR COPIES OF HER DEATH CERTIFICATE. I APPLIED FOR A COPY OF HER DEATH CERTIICATE AND FROM THAT I FOUND THE CAUSE OF DEATH WAS MURDER BY PERSON OR PERSONS UNKNOWN, (SHE WAS 23 YEARS OF AGE). I THEN TRIED TO OBTAIN COPIES OF LOUISA’S INQUEST, THE FUNNY THING WAS AS I WAS TOLD BY BERKSHIRE RECORDS OFFICE (WHERE I FOUND HER DEATH HAD OCCURED) THAT MOST INQUEST REPORTS BEFORE 1930 HAD BEEN DESTROYED AND THIS ONE WAS THE ONLY ONE REMAINING. I OBTAINED COPIES, AND ALSO NEWSPAPER REPORTS OF THE TIME, RECORDING THAT THERE HAD BEEN TWO INQUESTS, EVIDENCE FROM THE POLICE AND WITNESS REPORTS, AND WITNESS STATEMENTS. I LATER FOUND THAT SHE HAD 2 CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 4)... WILLIAM, MY FATHER BEING THE YOUNGEST, AND GEORGE HIS BROTHER 2 YEARS OLDER. (I had never heard of George until reading the inquest report.)

19-01-2008, 03:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
lady caroline New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: At the top of a hill in Dulwich London, from which I can see Houses o Posts: 5	Re: LOUISA SAVAGE/GATES I FOUND THAT ON THE DAY OF HER DISAPPERENCE SHE HAD TRAVELLED BY TRAIN TO SUNNINGDALE IN BERKSHIRE TO MEET AN AMERICAN WHO WAS STATIONED IN THE UK WITH THE CANADIAN EXPERDITIONARY FORCE. (Louisa’s husband my grandfather was away serving in the war.) AND ON THAT DAY SUNDAY 18TH AUGUST 1918 WHEN SHE FAILED TO RETURN TO HER ROOMS, HIS MOTHER AND HER AUNT WENT TO HER ROOMS AND FOUND A LETTER ADDRESSED " DEAR LOUIE", ARRANGING A MEETING AT SUNNINGDALE TRAIN STATION FROM A SERVICEMAN IN THE CANADIAN ARMY NAMED VANCE. HER BODY WAS FOUND FIVE WEEKS LATER BY A FARM LABOURER WHO WAS CUTTING FERN; IT WAS IN A WOOD ON THE CHARTERS ESTATE. THE WOOD WAS ENCLOSED ON THE ROAD SIDE BY A WOODEN FENCE ON THE LAND SIDE IT WAS OPEN, THE BODY COULD NOT BE SEEN FROM THE ROAD, VANCE WAS QUESTIONED BY THE POLICE BUT SAID IN HIS STATEMENT "HE HAD ARRIVED LATE AT THE STATION AND THAT LOUISA WAS NOT THERE SO HE LEFT". LOUISA WAS FOUND IN A WOODED AREA LESS THAN ONE MILE FROM THE STATION—SHE HAD BEEN GAGGED WITH HER HANDKERCHIEF AND STRANGLED WITH HER OWN MACKINTOSH BELT, HER HANDBAG WAS MISSING. (Valuable items of jewellery were still with the body) THE POSTMORTEM EXAMINATION WAS CARRIED OUT IN THE OUTHOUSE AJOINING THE "NAG’S HEAD" PUBLIC HOUSE (by Robert Donaldson MD) Pathologist at the Royal Berkshire Hospital. VANCE TOLD THE POLICE THAT AS SHE HAD FAILED TO MEET HIM ON THE DATE IN QUESTION AND THAT HE DID NOT TRY TO CORRESPOND OR MAKE ANY OTHER CONTACT WITH HER. A PERSON NAMED EMMA GAGNON A FRIEND OF LOUISA ALSO GAVE EVIDENCE, "SAYING THAT LOUISA HAD VISITED HER HOUSE IN SUNNINGDALE ON PREVIOUS OCCASSIONS AND THE ONLY VISITOR SHE HAD WHILE AT THIS FRIEND’S WAS VANCE. EMMA SAID SHE HAD TOLD LOUISA THAT HER HUSBAND OBJECTED TO THESE MEETINGS AND THAT SHE WAS NOT TO MEET HIM THERE AGAIN. THE POLICE NOTES SAY VANCE WAS A SUSPECT AND THAT THEY HAD MET AT SUNNIGDALE ON PREVIOUS OCCASIONS BUT I EXPECT THAT AS IT WAS SOME FIVE WEEKS BETWEEN THE DATE OF DEATH AND THE BODY BEING FOUND THE POLICE EVIDENCE WAS NOT ABLE TO SHOW VANCE AS COMMITING THE MURDER, AND DNA MATCHING WAS NOT AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME. (Whether it was Vance or a passing stranger who had committed the murder is not known) WITNESSES Body Found by Joseph Chandler farm labourer. Dr.Chas.M. Wildridge Supt. Jannaway. Inspector Simmons. Margaret Lilian Silvester. Vance N****. LESS THAN ONE YEAR LATER IN 1919 VANCE TOOK A YOUNG BERKSHIRE BRIDE WITH HIM TO THE USA, HE DIED THERE IN 1962 Vance N**, spouse Florence P*** March 1919, married at Maidenhead Berks. SO THE MURDERER IS UNKNOWN! BUT WITH THE HELP OF OTHERS I HAVE MANAGED TO TRACE THESE DETAILS OF THE GRANDMOTHER- I NEVER HAD. I HAVE TRIED BUT WAS UNSUCCESFUL IN TRACING WHAT HAPPENED TO HER BODY! I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO KNOW IF OR WHERE SHE HAD BEEN BURIED. RE: THE ELDEST CHILD WHO WAS IN A SANITORIUM!, (AND WAS NEVER FOUND BY MY DAD) NOTHING FURTHER IS KNOWN. HIS FATHER (my grandfather) WENT ON TO REMARRY AND HAVE OTHER CHILDREN. MY MOTHER SAID MY DAD HAD TRIED TO TRACE HIS OLDER BROTHER HE HAD PLACED NEWSPAPER ADVERTS TO FIND HIM BUT TO NO AVAIL. I DID A TRACE AND FOUND A MAN THE CORRECT NAME WHO HAD BEEN BORN IN SOUTHWARK IN 1914 HAD DIED IN TRURO IN 1992. WAS THIS HIM! I will further enquires and carry on with my search. UPDATE SINCE WRITING THE ABOVE I HAVE FOUND A SITE CALLED FAMILY HISTORY ONLINE AND SAW REGISTERED UNDER DEATHS: LOUISA GATES, HOLY TRINITY, SUNNINGDALE. I CONTACTED THEM AND THEIR REPLY IS BELOW:

19-01-2008, 03:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
lady caroline New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: At the top of a hill in Dulwich London, from which I can see Houses o Posts: 5	Re: LOUISA SAVAGE/GATES Dear Carol Many thanks for your messages – what an extraordinary story. I have been to look at our records and we do indeed have something: Louisa Gates aged 23 years of Walworth was buried in the churchyard. It says that there was an inquest. There is a grave space but I am not sure how successful a search would be for a stone there. If you would like to make a visit sometime and come to see the records for yourself and take a look at the churchyard, that would be very possible. Just give me a call. With all good wishes, as ever, David The Vicarage Holy Trinity Sunningdale Ascot SL5 0PD With a slow and noiseless footstep Comes that messenger divine, Takes the vacant chair beside me, Lays her gentle hand in mine. And she sits and gazes at me With those deep and tender eyes, Like the stars, so still and saint-like, Looking downward from the skies. Uttered not, yet comprehended, Is the spirit's voiceless prayer, Soft rebukes, in blessings ended, Breathing from her lips of air. Oh, though oft depressed and lonely, Al l my fears are laid aside, If I but remember only Such as these have lived and died! Henry Wadsworth Longfellow UPDATE Hi carol Albert & Charles Gates are my uncles and also your father’s uncles. Your father is my half-brother and you are my niece. Your grandfather is William Robert gates, brother of Albert and Charlie. I would like to hear from you, my e-mail is……… I received this message to-day from Genes Reunited this is a son Alfred Gates from My Grandfathers second Marriage. 12/10/2005. From Alfred, I believe that when the tragic event of their Mothers death occurred, my father was sent home from France and George and William (Bill) went to live with their Grand parents. This is an assumption, but they never lived with us. After the War Bill came home from the Army and stayed with us for a while but I'm not sure what happened after that. UPDATE I have now received the death certificate for George William Gates, I find he was a retired engineer, his date of death was May 1992, he died at The Royal Cornwall Hospital, Truro and his death was registered by his Grandson Mark Allen who at the time was living in South Street, Redruth. Wouldn’t my dad have been overjoyed to have found him or any of these details about his? missing brother. (how happy and sad I feel) I am now trying to find Mark Allen as I believe we would be 1st Cousins. I have been searching for a year, left messages on various website and with Friends Reunited, still cannot find Mark. At last a break through, someone has contacted me and told me that George Married a Doris Nicholls in 1939 and that they had a daughter Yvonne, don’t know if this info is Correct will try to send for Marriage Cert for George and Doris. 2/06/2006 still waiting for Marriage Cert but have now been sent an address for Yvonne, will try to make contact. Since this all started I have now found relatives in the USA and Family History Of Louisa’s Savage (Gates) ancestors back to 1557 my search still continues…………. Have now found reference to marriage for George Gates to Doris Nicholls at Redruth 3rd Quarter 1939 (july,aug,sept). A daughter Yvonne to George and Doris 1st Quarter 1940 (jan,feb,mar). A marriage for Yvonne Gates to Samuel R Allen 1964 1st Quarter (jan,feb,mar) at Penzance. A son Mark Allen to Yvonne and Samuel 3rd Quarter 1964 (july,aug,sept) All I need now is to find Mark or an address for Yvonne, I have been given an address to try for Yvonne, it's in Cornwall and I will write to-day 5th June 06. 14th June a letter has come from Yvonne I am overjoyed, she tells a bit about her dad and his life, mentioning that he said he had a brother and a step-mother and that he had a bad accident as a child and lost part of the front of his leg and knee, the leg was in traction for a long time and failed to grow he spent years in the converlescent home and the one leg was shorter than the other, Yvonne went on to say that George thought that there was no future for him in London and he made his way down to Cornwall. George could do most things he rode a bike with one pedal and played cricket and loved playing and watching snooker. Yvonne also has a brother Roger he is Ten years younger (I wonder if she has told him about my letter). Mark is living in Clevelays (just outside Blackpool) . Yvonne has given me Mark's address, I will drop him a line. I now know I have real relatives of my Dad the first ones I have found, I have sent Yvonne a picture of my mum and dad and a copy of our dad's family history, it is only with the help of members of Genes Reunited that I have managed to find all these details, without them I would still be alone.

21-02-2008, 11:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
lozzie AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: At Home Posts: 2,244 Total Awards: 3	Re: LOUISA SAVAGE/GATES Hi Carol I've just read your story...unbelievable......it is so tinged with sadness...yet you have made contacts that your father never knew A silent tear fell from my face as I read through it I hope you make, and keep, contact with the family your father never knew take care good luck Loz
	Loz *AKA Billie No Mates* *Researching: Me ancestors!!!!!*

22-02-2008, 09:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
nanna Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Liverpool, Merseyside.U.K Posts: 11,524 Total Awards: 3	Re: LOUISA SAVAGE/GATES Hi Carol, I read your story when you first posted and my what a story. Have just read all the updates and I'm so glad you have finally found your Father's family. Enjoy your new found relatives and like Lozz says, hang on to them, take care. Nanna
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