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    Hi all,

    I've been asked to obtain a paper copy of 2 birth certificates for my father-in-law's parents. Both were born in Cork. I've got the details from FamilySearch, but I don't know what I need in order to order certificates. I've had a look on the web and everything seems to suggest that, rather than a reference number (as per UK certificates), I actually need a bunch of information that would seem to be from the certificate itself (parent's names, etc). Is that the case? I'm a bit confused. Isn't the point of getting these certificates to find out that information?

    I'm hoping someone with experience of research in Ireland will be able to point me in the right direction. The record I have are below. Could someone please tell me what my next step needs to be?

    Name Richard O'Keeffe

    Registation District: Cork

    Event Type: Births

    Registration Quarter and Year: Oct-Dec- 1907

    Film Number:101071

    Volume Number: 5

    Page Number: 87

    Digital Folder Number: 4194690

    Image Number: 00600





    Name: Margaret Dawson

    Registration District: Cork

    Event Type Births

    Registation Quarter and Year: Jul-Sept 1912

    Film Number: 101074

    Volume Number:5

    Page Number: 105

    Digital Folder Number: 4194693

    Image Number: 00545


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    Address is General register office, Government offices, Convent Road,Roscommon tel no +353(0)906632900.
    I tried to order a birth cert a while ago. The only info they said I needed was name of person, names of parents, year of birth or approx,and county. I did email them & they were quite helpful. I didn't have any luck however - do you still have to do it by bankers order? - thats a bit of a pain to be honest
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    Thanks guys. So, is it really the case that I need to know the parents' names in order to order the certificate? That just seems bizarre. Surely the certificate should TELL me their names, or what's the point in getting it? Without getting the certificate how can I find out the names so that I can order the certificate? I'm getting really confused here...

    This is the first time I've had to research records in Ireland and it's completely baffling compared with what I'm used to. Research in the UK is really straightforward, you find an index entry, it gives you a reference number, you give that reference number to the GRO and they send you a certificate, why is it so much more complicated in Ireland?

    Am I making it more difficult than it needs to be? Do people who do research in Ireland not bother with certificates? Is there some other method I'm not aware of?

    Apologies if I sound really frustrated, but basically I am. Any help appreciated, particularly anyone who's ordered these things before.

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    Why not go on to the website and send them an email asking them what they really need. I am sure it is often a question of who you speak to. or you could phone them. I agree - it is frustrating the GRO website for Northern Ireland does seem to be a bit clearer. I told myself I will either go in person next time or I will have an Irish euro postal order. Good luck perhaps someone who knows the system will be able to tell you more.
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    Searching for Twizell, Brown & Storey from Northumberland. Kelly & Kinsella from Ireland, Parkinson from Lincolnshire. Mellor from Derbyshire and Jackson from Warwickshire.

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    Hi Orinoco,

    I have no experience at all in Irish research. However, I have searched around using my friend 'Google' and there are articles suggesting certificates can be ordered using the volume and page number, without the necessity to enter parents' names.
    Last edited by slizzy; 18-06-2011 at 07:43 PM. Reason: Correction to information supplied

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    Hi Orinoco,
    I looked on 1911 census for Cork . Could not find a Richard O'Keeffe but will look again.
    Two Dawson families; one George Dawson, a farmer, Methodist in Templemartin with wife Margaret and various children from twins John Henry and Minnie Anne 21 down to Barbara age two. My bet is she had another the following year.... Margaret.?
    The other is Henry Dawson and wife Charlotte(RC) in Sundays Well Rd. with various children, Herbert, Eileen, Isaac, Charles and MARGARET 4.... so doubt it is her.
    Strange only the two Dawson families.

    Found O'Keeffe.
    BUT there are several families with a four year old Richard and one with a five year old!
    David O'Keeffe ,(ag lab) wife Mary, children Mary 13, Garrett 12, David8 Richard4 and Thomas baby. in Carrigtohill Cork
    Richard O'Keefe 40 and wife Mary, with Margaret 15 , mary13, Norah 12, Ellen 7, Richard5, Charles 3 and baby John. Father is a dock lab.merrypole lane Cork
    Bartholomew O'Keeffe 54 and Mary, Maggie 12, John 7, Richard4. father is a farm lab. Rc
    and another I have forgotten to note.
    This last one is only 3(but he might have a fourth birthday later in the year)
    Daniel and Margaret O'Keeffe both 40 and Rc.
    Children Margaret17, Julia 15 James 12 , Daniel 10 and Richard 3.
    This family is in Shandon St. Cork no 4 Urban.
    Father is a Quay labourer.
    Doubt if this is of any use to you but worth a try.
    Last edited by Lola5; 18-06-2011 at 08:10 PM. Reason: addition

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    Hi Slizzy, yeah I came across that information too, but couldn't find anywhere that would actually let me order the certificates with just the volume and page number. I think I'm just going to call them and see if I can figure it out that way.

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    Thanks for that, Lola. I'll see what I can do with it. I think your RC Dawsons are more likely, but it'll take some figuring out. My wife's parents had an unusual approach to solving the religious issues implicit in one of them being catholic and the other protestant: They both became Mormons. It does suggest however, that my father-in-law's background is basically catholic.

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    You don’t need the parents names to order an Irish birth cert if you have the volume and page number. That will take them straight to the certificate. (The parents names etc are required when that info is not available). Your cheapest option incidentally is to order a photocopy which, provided they don’t have to do any searching, will only cost 4 euros. A lot cheaper than a full formal copy and it eliminates the possibility of transcription errors. Put the place, year, quarter (if there is one), volume & page number on the blank bit of the order form at the bottom of the first page.

    You don’t have to pay by bankers order. You can pay by credit card, or some people just put euro notes in with the application. That works fine too except you won’t get any change if there is some due.

    At present it takes about 7 to 10 days from when GRO Roscommon receive the order.

 

 

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