Mary's death - sounds right. Have you seen the original - any details?
Mary's death - sounds right. Have you seen the original - any details?
Rubina
Apologies - re-read your message which says there are no details recorded! Curses! why could she not have hung on until 1854!! However, how about researching Leonard who was still in Coldstream in 1861 but not found 1871 - unless he was one of those that went to Australia!! If he did, perhaps he can be traced there!
Rubina
Yeah, I had a look for Leonard. I think I've found him, basically manning a toll booth in Coldstream for thirty years. Nothing of particular note happens to him, that I recall. I'll check the census records again, but I remember there wasn't a whole lot going on. In 1891, he seems to make a drastic career move and becomes a tailor, though I haven't seen the original of that record, so there's a chance that's some sort of transcription aberration (though of what kind I don't know). I've seen some crackers, in fact the previous census transcription for Leonard has his occupation as "Fall Cillister" or somesuch (I kid you not). After some head scratching I finally realised it was probably supposed to be "Toll Collector"...
You have achieved loads in finding extended family for your Wm but still not achieved your objective!
I have re-read the thread and come up with these pertinent questions! I should have thought to ask these earlier but got caught up in the chase!
1. Assume William's Death Cert gives no Father/Mother?
2. Have you got Williams marriage cert? Is his father/mother not named?
Rubina
Death certificate gives no hint of parents, but the informant is H Greenlay (Hannah Greenlay, of Coatesworth Street, Sunderland, I have her in the 1881 census... somewhere amid my documents...) who is, according to the certificate, his cousin. My own research has not borne this out, and I now think she's actually the cousin of his wife, Ann Gage. Hannah and her husband William also witnessed Ann's marriage to James Grey a couple of years after William died.
I must be going mad because I thought I had William and Ann's marriage certificate, and it appears I don't. I've got the reference for it, and I seem to have been sitting on it for at least a year without actually ordering it. Why on earth have I got Ann and James's certificate, but not the certificate for the man I'm actually related to?? That's something for me to do tomorrow...
In a way, I'm glad I'm getting it now, actually, because at least now I've got something to compare it against. Now that I'm pretty confident about the rest of William's family, hopefully I can make sure his dad matches up somewhere. If he does turn out to be someone else now, I'm going to be really annoyed with myself!
It is so easy to get carried away on a line of research and forget we haven't got the essentials! But, as you say, you now have lots of info around your Wms family. It will be exciting to find out (hopefully!) his Dad's name and occupation as stated. Also your Wms and his wifes address when they married. Please let us know when you get it!!
Rubina
Will do. As for the address when they married, I wouldn't be at all surprised if both were living on Burleigh Street in Sunderland. Virtually every address on that street seems to have someone I'm related to living in it at some point. All the cousins for Ann that I've so far found seem to live there, at one point or another, and William died there in 1880. Odd, because it's not a big street (I don't think it exists anymore, but I've seen it on old maps). They're certainly living there by 1871.
I can't believe I haven't entertained this possibility before, but what if Mary Short, who is living with John and William in the 1851 census, is not John's sister, but in fact his sister-in-law? What if she's William's mother? Doesn't explain her total absence in 1841, but at the end of the day, the census is just one day, maybe they just weren't home?
Wow....inspired thinking! She may even be John's sister and Wm may be illegitimate? His marriage cert should give a clue.
Rubina
1861 ED1 page 1, 11 Coldstream
Looking for sister mary and saw this for Leonard. Spotted this yesterday but assumed Leonard's wife was calling herself Mary - wrong. Mary in 1861 was sister! The Wm on here is his sone as from 1851 - not 1841!
Leonard, Head, 46 Ag Lab born England
Mary, Sister, 42 born Mordington, Berwickshire
Wm, son, 16, born CS
Alice, dau, 13, born CS
Mary, dau, 9, or CS
Rubina