Thread: Vital Records

Jon · 25-05-2008, 10:28 AM

Thank you for your input SiliconDale.

The thing we are trying to do here is get as much as we can contained within AA. You never know, members may add some records that have been missed by the other "big" sites.

I do, however, totally understand your point but some members of Ancestry Aid like the idea of adding their records to this site. In some cases just to say thank you and put something back in. How I see it is that the more records we get within Ancestry Aid, the more people will come take a look at us. The more people who come and take a look at us, the more information the site gathers. The more information the site gathers, the better chance of our members having a result in finding needed records for free. That is the whole point is'nt it? Helping each other without having to pay for it.

There is a much bigger picture to the whole thing than just duplicating some records. Each system we add leads to better results and a better friendly community.

But, again, thank you very much for your input.

Regards

Jon · 25-05-2008, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suey

Yes I would be williling to add some of my records BUT not people still living.

Sueyxx

Goes without saying Suey

Kelly · 25-05-2008, 10:41 AM

Hi all

I think people are looking way to much into this, I personally do not want to upset any of the great volunteers on Freebmd or freereg or sites like it.
That was not the point of this thread, i never thought about having a massive database of BMDs like Freebmd, our point was to have our own records what we have collected along the way in our own research.
It was just another way of making contact with others that are researching the same surname, well it is for me anyway.

carn128 · 25-05-2008, 10:49 AM

A great idea to make more records available for free, I'd be quite happy to contribute bmd's and parish registers info that I've got from my researches in Wales. Good luck with this project.
Best wishes Helen

stan-the-man · 25-05-2008, 10:53 AM

Being very new in the chase and old in years any help in finding information regarding my ancestors would be most welcomed. I'm trying to put together some sort of record of the family for the sake of my 7 grandchildren and having to be very stringent with the ready, all and any help I can get will be most welcomed.

Starlight · 25-05-2008, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silicondale

I think it's important (a) not to do something that overlaps existing free resources to any great extent, and (b) to provide links to those free resources that do exist, and encourage people to use and contribute to them.

(1) England and Wales

FreeBMD gives access to the BMD indexes 1837 onwards - and their transcribers will progressively finish off the 20th century. I think a complete waste of effort doing any of this as a permanent database - and even though a temporary post-1920ish index would be very useful, I doubt if Ancestry Aid could make it complete enough any faster than FreeBMD is already doing.

There is already a free database for more complete certificate information: I think that trying to duplicate this would be a waste of effort - much better to provide a link and encourage users to add data to that.

As for pre-1837 data, this is more problematic. The LDS IGI database is incomplete and also contaminated by unverified data supplied by church members, so you need to be careful how you use it. What would be very useful would be to build a database for those parish registers which have not been transcribed in IGI. Also IGI contains very few death records - so a database of pre-1837 deaths would be useful. The Online Parish Clerks project is already addressing these problems though, and I think it would be foolish to try and duplicate it. See list of OPC links on http://www.cyndislist.com/volreg.htm There is of course also FreeREG (http://www.freereg.org.uk/) which is a sister project of FreeBMD. As an aside, there is also FreeCEN, a free census resource (http://www.freecen.org.uk/)

What would be useful, however, is a free database for nonconformist and Catholic records which are as far as I know currently only available on paid-for databases.

(2) Scotland, Ireland, and elsewhere. I think much more scope for recording information as this tends to be either only paid-for (as in Scotland), or very patchy. A particular problem that I have, for example, is with ancestors in Germany, where I would love to be able to find online transcriptions of German parish registers. Same thing with descendants of family members who emigrated to Australia and New Zealand in the 19th century - lack of online registers means it is almost impossible to locate them.

- Steve

The Vital records we had before was the same as with different records with parish records prior to 1837 included.
Out of my whole tree there are only a couple of names that appear on the I.G.I
The reason that my records have had to be looked up at records offices is because none of the parishes have been transcribed are on the web elsewhere.

Raven · 25-05-2008, 11:03 AM

I don't know how many of you use Scotland's People but when you download records from there you get this.

3 births per page
2 marriages per page
3 deaths per page.

I would like to transcribe the "extras" on the pages I have in case they are of use to others.

Jon · 25-05-2008, 11:05 AM

What we should also remember is that the information we input and supply can be much greater that what you would find on other resourses.

When I create the system, each record can contain a wealth of information. Basically it will be up to you how much you want to input.

For example these could be the fields we could have for a marriage record (off the top of my head):

Wife - First Names
Wife - Maiden Name
Wife - Mother Name
Wife - Father Name
Wife - Father Occupation
Wife - Age At Marriage
Wife - Condition
Wife - Occupation
Husband - First Names
Husband - Surname Name
Husband - Mother Name
Husband - Father Name
husband - Father Occupation
Husband - Age At Marriage
Husband - Condition
Husband - Occupation
Date Of Marriage
Place Of Marriage
Siblings - First name, Last Name
Residence At Time Of Marriage - Husband & Wife
Witness First Name & Surname
Additional Information

That was what I could think of off the top of my head. But we DONT have to stop there. If required, more fields could be added. So we would be able to gather a mountain of information just from one simple search.

Hope that interests you all.

Regards

bdm2uk · 25-05-2008, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon

Hi Gillian,

We can input what ever we like to it. As for the copyright issues this is what's what.

If the record is still in its ORIGIONAL format and you transcribe it into tex/digital format it then become YOUR Interlectual Copyright and can be added to the database on Ancestry Aid.

If the record has been previously transcribed then you can NOT use it in our database.

Does that make sense to you.

Regards

The trouble is we may not know it has already been transcribed!

Chris · 25-05-2008, 11:12 AM

Jon ,Star ,Raven thank-you , you have all answered what i was going to put.

View Poll Results: Do You Want A Vital Records System? Would You Add To It?
Yes I Want It. Yes I would add to it.	180	90.45%
Yes I Want It. But no I would NOT add to it.	14	7.04%
No, I Do NOT Want It	5	2.51%
Voters: 199. You may not vote on this poll

25-05-2008, 10:28 AM	#21 (permalink)
Jon Webmaster & Developer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK - England Posts: 996	Re: Vital Records Thank you for your input SiliconDale. The thing we are trying to do here is get as much as we can contained within AA. You never know, members may add some records that have been missed by the other "big" sites. I do, however, totally understand your point but some members of Ancestry Aid like the idea of adding their records to this site. In some cases just to say thank you and put something back in. How I see it is that the more records we get within Ancestry Aid, the more people will come take a look at us. The more people who come and take a look at us, the more information the site gathers. The more information the site gathers, the better chance of our members having a result in finding needed records for free. That is the whole point is'nt it? Helping each other without having to pay for it. There is a much bigger picture to the whole thing than just duplicating some records. Each system we add leads to better results and a better friendly community. But, again, thank you very much for your input. Regards
	Jon Ancestry Aid Webmaster & Developer

25-05-2008, 10:41 AM	#23 (permalink)
Kelly Ancestry Aid Owner Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK - England Posts: 1,675	Re: Vital Records Hi all I think people are looking way to much into this, I personally do not want to upset any of the great volunteers on Freebmd or freereg or sites like it. That was not the point of this thread, i never thought about having a massive database of BMDs like Freebmd, our point was to have our own records what we have collected along the way in our own research. It was just another way of making contact with others that are researching the same surname, well it is for me anyway.
	Kelly Ancestry Aid Owner

25-05-2008, 10:49 AM	#24 (permalink)
carn128 New Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1	Re: Vital Records A great idea to make more records available for free, I'd be quite happy to contribute bmd's and parish registers info that I've got from my researches in Wales. Good luck with this project. Best wishes Helen
carn128 New Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1

25-05-2008, 10:53 AM	#25 (permalink)
stan-the-man New Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Laidley Heights Qld Aust Posts: 8	Re: Vital Records Being very new in the chase and old in years any help in finding information regarding my ancestors would be most welcomed. I'm trying to put together some sort of record of the family for the sake of my 7 grandchildren and having to be very stringent with the ready, all and any help I can get will be most welcomed.

25-05-2008, 11:03 AM	#27 (permalink)
Raven Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sunny Stonehaven Posts: 2,721 Total Awards: 5	Re: Vital Records I don't know how many of you use Scotland's People but when you download records from there you get this. 3 births per page 2 marriages per page 3 deaths per page. I would like to transcribe the "extras" on the pages I have in case they are of use to others.
	Raven.. researching: Matchett (Ayrshire, Dundee),McFarland (Co derry NI) Dick, Ewing, Nairn, Young (Ayrshire) Koehler (East Prussia), Russell( Peebleshire)

25-05-2008, 11:05 AM	#28 (permalink)
Jon Webmaster & Developer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK - England Posts: 996	Re: Vital Records What we should also remember is that the information we input and supply can be much greater that what you would find on other resourses. When I create the system, each record can contain a wealth of information. Basically it will be up to you how much you want to input. For example these could be the fields we could have for a marriage record (off the top of my head): Wife - First Names Wife - Maiden Name Wife - Mother Name Wife - Father Name Wife - Father Occupation Wife - Age At Marriage Wife - Condition Wife - Occupation Husband - First Names Husband - Surname Name Husband - Mother Name Husband - Father Name husband - Father Occupation Husband - Age At Marriage Husband - Condition Husband - Occupation Date Of Marriage Place Of Marriage Siblings - First name, Last Name Residence At Time Of Marriage - Husband & Wife Witness First Name & Surname Additional Information That was what I could think of off the top of my head. But we DONT have to stop there. If required, more fields could be added. So we would be able to gather a mountain of information just from one simple search. Hope that interests you all. Regards
	Jon Ancestry Aid Webmaster & Developer

25-05-2008, 11:12 AM	#30 (permalink)
Chris Ancestry Aid Owner Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK - England Posts: 5,582	Re: Vital Records Jon ,Star ,Raven thank-you , you have all answered what i was going to put.
	Chris Ancestry Aid Owner