Thread: Vital Records

Jon

Thats it. Transcribing data from origional sources becomes interlectual data. But, as you said, data from books or digital means has already been transcribed and is the interlectual data of the transcriber.

Regards

Kelly

Flood

Thanks for explaining all that. I have to say I agree with with Tanja from Australia on this. But I'm fully behind bringing it back, it was very useful.

Sally

Rastus

Jon. re Vital Records, is it really necessary when I would think that the Family Tree should have nearly all such information from people who particularly want this information which will be uploaded or otherwise.
Lot of extra work for the likes of yourself I would think.
Anyway whichever way the vote goes, good luck,
Kind Regards,
Rastus

Raven

Regarding transcribing from Scotlands People. I have been in contact with the owner of Scotlands Family Tree and this is what he says..

Hi Raven,if your transcribing from SP,there is absolutely no problem concerning copyright,this only comes into effect when folks want to re-produce,publicly,a certificate in an ''open '' site,this being able to be viewed by any ''passing'' internet traffic,as you know,we have to ''hide'' ours in a section which can not be viewed by passing internet traffic.

But,as I say,if youare transcribing,not a problem,same applies to Ancestry,but make sure you ''alter'' ancestry's transcriptions a little by removing/changin slightly, one or two lines ,that way it does not appear to be a ''copy and paste'' job.

Hope this helps..

Jon

Thank you for your input Rastus. Personally not everyone will want to add their tree to our system as some people prefere to keep their trees on their own computer etc. Having this system will allow them to add or search records that they DO want online.

As for the work involved, I really don't mind as long as I am supplying yet another free system to my members. I do this because the members we have take the time to support Ancestry Aid, so I want to take the time to support them.

This is exactly what I have been saying. What he is basically saying there is that Scotlands People OWNS the images but they do NOT own the data on the images. The data is Crown Copyright and can be freely transcribed by anyone. Once transcribed it is then YOUR interlectual property.
So, you are not permitted to show their images anywhere but you CAN transcribe the data contained within the images.

I had a long telephone call with the National Archives over this matter when we started the 1841 Census database. they confirmed the above to me.

Hope this clears up the copyright issue for you all. Thanks for the post Raven.

Regards

Val

Thanks Jon, I would be interested in using the vital records on this site as the ZAR/Pound exchange is unfavourable making the paying sites very expensive.

Val.

silicondale

I think it's important (a) not to do something that overlaps existing free resources to any great extent, and (b) to provide links to those free resources that do exist, and encourage people to use and contribute to them.

(1) England and Wales

FreeBMD gives access to the BMD indexes 1837 onwards - and their transcribers will progressively finish off the 20th century. I think a complete waste of effort doing any of this as a permanent database - and even though a temporary post-1920ish index would be very useful, I doubt if Ancestry Aid could make it complete enough any faster than FreeBMD is already doing.

There is already a free database for more complete certificate information: I think that trying to duplicate this would be a waste of effort - much better to provide a link and encourage users to add data to that.

As for pre-1837 data, this is more problematic. The LDS IGI database is incomplete and also contaminated by unverified data supplied by church members, so you need to be careful how you use it. What would be very useful would be to build a database for those parish registers which have not been transcribed in IGI. Also IGI contains very few death records - so a database of pre-1837 deaths would be useful. The Online Parish Clerks project is already addressing these problems though, and I think it would be foolish to try and duplicate it. See list of OPC links on http://www.cyndislist.com/volreg.htm There is of course also FreeREG (http://www.freereg.org.uk/) which is a sister project of FreeBMD. As an aside, there is also FreeCEN, a free census resource (http://www.freecen.org.uk/)

What would be useful, however, is a free database for nonconformist and Catholic records which are as far as I know currently only available on paid-for databases.

(2) Scotland, Ireland, and elsewhere. I think much more scope for recording information as this tends to be either only paid-for (as in Scotland), or very patchy. A particular problem that I have, for example, is with ancestors in Germany, where I would love to be able to find online transcriptions of German parish registers. Same thing with descendants of family members who emigrated to Australia and New Zealand in the 19th century - lack of online registers means it is almost impossible to locate them.

- Steve

Gordy100

I live in Scotland and the access to free BMD records is very limited. As such, I don't have many to add, other than immediate family, but I would love to have a free source of certificates for my Scottish ancestors and to allow me to make more links.

Of course, it wouldn't only benefit me but all the other members too, lol.

Suey

Yes I would be williling to add some of my records BUT not people still living.


Sueyxx